59 FROM MGM+ : Season 3 Episode 2 "When we Go" w/ guest super fan Andy Schrock

Are you ready to unravel the mysteries behind your favorite TV show "From"? Join us as we welcome Andy Schruck, a die-hard fan who stumbled upon the show at LAX and quickly became hooked. Andy found himself captivated by the intense opening scene and the rich storyline, and he's thrilled to share his journey with the fandom. Together with Lizzie, who brings her extensive theories and notes, we dive into the emotional complexities of Season 3, Episode 2, "When We Go," dissecting the significant moments that leave both characters and viewers on edge.

Have you ever wondered about the hidden meanings behind Victor's mother's paintings? We do a deep analysis of the show's key locations like the diner, lighthouse, and church, and speculate on the fates of pivotal characters. From questioning Victor's mother's true fate to pondering Elgin's mysterious role in the narrative, our discussion is layered with intriguing theories and emotional insights. We even explore the historical figures in the paintings, adding a fascinating dimension to the storyline and the emotional struggles of Victor's father.

As we explore the intense dynamics and evolving relationships among the survivors, we reflect on Boyd's unraveling mental state and the tension between characters like Donna and Randall. Kenny's heartbreaking discovery and the poignant moments in the diner are also highlighted, offering a deep dive into character development and emotional resonance. Closing with our excitement for the show's growing popularity and our hopes for more episodes and merchandise, this episode captures our passion for "From" and our commitment to keeping you engaged with every twist and turn.

Chapters

• 0:28 From Discussion With Special Guest Andy
• 12:14 Unraveling the Mysteries of Victor's Mom
• 21:06 Discoveries and Speculations in Survivors' Town
• 32:52 Boyd's Unraveling and Survivors' Dynamics
• 43:36 Character Dynamics in the Walking Dead
• 49:23 Exploring Characters and Series Development
• 1:03:18 Unraveling Salem Witch Trials Connection
• 1:18:00 Unraveling Psychological Manipulation and Family Dynamics
• 1:30:42 Embracing the Show and Fan Engagement
• 1:38:17 Engaging Chat on Gaming and Friendship

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:28

Welcome to the show. My name is Alex.

Speaker 3: 0:30

And I'm Lizzie.

Speaker 2: 0:32

Today we are talking from, because Sunday is From Day and we have a special special guest with us and hopefully I say your name right, because we're talking about names, andy Chirac. He's just kind of a super fan and connected online. Before we get into all the things that Andy is in terms of the show, I just want to say a couple of things. One Sunday is Frumday, and if you are a subscriber, thank you so much. And if you want to be a subscriber, all you have to do is hit that bell. Hit that whatever is on the bottom, whatever that thing is and whatever else. Also, if you're looking for Fromily shirts or anything else, you can go to our Etsy shop, which is what is from shop on Etsy, and we're selling stuff left and right, aren't we, lizzie? It's been a little brisk. We're working on season two poster, but we do have a season one poster and all that good stuff. But enough about selling, enough about us. Andy, why don't you tell us first off, did you get involved with this show?

Speaker 4: 1:44

I am just. I am just a fan, but I guess I could tell the story if you guys want to hear the story of how it came to my face.

Speaker 4: 1:54

So I was at LAX and they canceled my flight at one in the morning and they rebooked me the fastest flight. The next flight they could get me on was the same flight the next night. It was like at 11 or something, and I had been on like a skate filming trip in LA for like three days and I had seen the posters for from in Hollywood there's like everything going on. There's always all these posters and they, like it caught my eye and of course I saw that it was from us. You know the producers are lost and I was like, okay, let's check it out.

Speaker 4: 2:28

I like got to the LAX the next day and I had all day. I was just sitting in the Delta lounge and I was like, how am I going to kill a whole day? Uh, other than working. But I didn't want to work on to have fun and uh, I passed passed time by booting up from and I was actually I almost turned it off because the first scene is so gnarly it is so, if you and I'm not a scary, I don't like that kind of stuff, but I'm gonna tell you once you get past that it's it's a very important scene to have because it like shows, it shows you immediately.

Speaker 4: 3:02

That's like these are the stakes. Um, the the first two episodes work as like one right, essentially, and it's it's. I don't understand how someone could watch those two and not just like just full steam ahead. I'm watching every episode. Uh, yeah, so the reason I can watch horror, I can watch scary stuff, but, like as a dad, it was like to me. I was like that scene was like intense. So, uh, I kept, I kept going and, um, when I got to the like the fifth or sixth episode, there were no more to watch and I was like, okay, this is not okay um, oh, and you were really in the beginning yeah, yeah, I like it was.

Speaker 4: 3:41

I mean, and it's just because of posters. I don't I probably would have, I would have heard about it at some point, but I'm really excited that I got to. That wasn't there like day one, but that was, like you know, week five or six.

Speaker 3: 3:55

Yeah, that's how it was for me.

Speaker 2: 3:58

Yeah, I just love how people are starting to find the show. I found the show from Lizzie, you found the show from a poster and it's really taken off this season. And for those of you that have just joined us, I know we are talking to Andy about his journey with From, but we are talking season three, episode two, when we go, and what I'd like to do first. First, if I don't let her talk, andy, she's gonna get pissed. So let's, let's have, let's have our, my, my partner in crime. What's your first thoughts on the episode?

Speaker 3: 4:38

well. Last week was easy for taking notes, it was very straightforward. This week it was crazy. I can't believe everything that I have to talk about.

Speaker 4: 4:56

So much, it was a lot of information.

Speaker 3: 4:59

Yeah, it was a lot of information. I mean, this is just the first two pages. We're going to go this way. That's just pages one and two.

Speaker 2: 5:10

So, Andy, just so you know, she has her book of secrets. She also has her board of A Pain in my Ass and she is all in and she is ready to go. What was your first thoughts, Andy, on the episode?

Speaker 4: 5:27

Well, I was ready by how much this whole season is like hyped up, like it's going to only get darker and darker and darker. I was ready for just another punch in the gut, and I'm really glad that they let us just like. It was really beautiful that the whole cast of characters, they were able to like just take a beat and really like let this hit them, um. So I think, as the audience, you needed that too, like it was like a therapeutic, like dealing with what has happened, um. But there's definitely some things that came up that, as with every episode, is going to raise a question and some things that don't necessarily make sense. That's my initial thought, I guess, though.

Speaker 2: 6:09

That's fine. No, that's fine. I mean, we talked to Liz Moy last week and I was being delusional by saying right now, you are not dead. But I mean listen when they pull somebody's hair off or head off. Oh my God.

Speaker 3: 6:27

That was awful. That was awful.

Speaker 2: 6:30

And the other thing is, if you look at the trailer, it gives it away big time, and we talked about that in our episode when we were talking about the trailer, I'm surprised they didn't edit out the mural with the picture on the plate Right.

Speaker 4: 6:50

I'm really surprised.

Speaker 3: 6:51

That's what gave it away to me.

Speaker 4: 6:55

At the same time, you also have everyone saying they're probably doing that just to trick us or something, or it was a vision, it was a dream. You never know what you're actually doing.

Speaker 2: 7:05

I will say this. I will say this you know, when you look at the trailer and you start watching where the scenes are, it's really neat how it's coming through. So, andy, anytime you want to jump in in terms of a point where we have a little bit of a list of what we're going to do, please jump in. And if we end up going in a different direction, hey, we're, we're all human here and it's gonna hurt. You know, I'm just trying to wrestle cats, so um, the the first, these two episodes, like.

Speaker 4: 7:44

What's that the big thing with this episode? That, like, the biggest question that raised in my mind was like a timetable, the timetable with Victor's family. Yeah and like, yeah, and it's also makes me think that like because his dad, who's apparently 75 is, if you do the math, because he's like, he's like, he's like he looks good. We need to like, yeah, put all, he looks great for 75. And Victor looks more haggard from just like existing in that place. So like there's not a big level of like visual difference Cause like, and it makes me wonder if they're going to use that to say like the place ages, people like slightly faster, and then they could keep Ethan without explaining much.

Speaker 2: 8:32

Well, the good thing about this show, because they have monsters and they have all this other stuff. We talked about this last episode. The kids are getting older, yeah, and they got to explain.

Speaker 3: 8:44

I don't know if they have to well, I mean, it explains itself yeah, because I mean, if you think about how fast ethan's leg healed, yeah like it's only been a couple weeks so.

Speaker 2: 8:57

But if his leg can heal that fast, then he could age as well but and I just thought about this right now If you think about young Victor, he's getting older, eliza's getting older, the actor that plays him, it goes along the lines of him looking like crap now because he's getting older and away we go. But you know what? I see some friends on here and then we'll get into a very emotional episode. I know people cried. But, lizzie, let's get into speaking of the father, Tabitha and Henry and Henry's understanding. What was, what was, what was your take on all that?

Speaker 3: 9:41

What was your take on all that? So gosh, I mean, I basically have one page just on Tabitha and Henry and I wanted to start there so we could start outside of from. I know, sorry, they did a lot so that we could start outside of from and then spend the rest of the time inside from and then spend the rest of the time inside. But basically, you know, we start out with Henry still very suspicious of Tabitha and why she's there, and it's not until she mentions the, he starts to believe her and I feel like, um, all this stuff I was gonna, all this stuff that I wrote, it doesn't get important to me until you know he says it's a place that was everywhere, because this is what Victor's mom was talking about all the time that it was a place that was everywhere.

Speaker 3: 11:01

Because this is what Victor's mom was talking about all the time that it was a place that was everywhere, but you couldn't find it. If you tried Somewhere you could stumble into from anywhere, but never find a way to leave. She said there were people there, people who were lost and afraid, who found themselves living inside of a nightmare that they couldn't escape, fighting a battle they knew they couldn't win. She said they were holding on to hope, and when that hope was gone, they held on to each other, and that's where we're in the funeral. They're all sitting there. It all sounded like riddles.

Speaker 3: 11:44

She said that of all the people that would find their way to this place, she was the one who had been chosen to free the children, but she wasn't the first. Others had been chosen before her. She could see each and every one, and all of them had failed. None of them had ever set the children free, none of them had ever gone home. So if had ever set the children free, none of them had ever gone home. So if you've seen the children, if they've called to you then I guess you've been chosen now too. So how did you get out? And the whole time Tabitha is looking at the paintings that Victor's mother had created, and I don don't know.

Speaker 4: 12:25

I saw the diner, the lighthouse, a man in a yellow everything yeah, there was like a man coming out of the uh, the church windows like the church. So we we're gonna see that I hope yeah, like I thought that was crazy.

Speaker 3: 12:42

Um, like, what's going on in the church? Is the church a key, you know?

Speaker 2: 12:48

um so wait, I have a question for you guys. Do you think victor's mom it was that died in from, or did she get out? Because it sounds like she got out well, victor says he found her body, yeah, I understand that but, like my question is how can she be there, have that story and then this was before she? Even went yeah, okay, I'm sorry guys.

Speaker 2: 13:19

Yeah, this is the thing, that's a this is the thing I'm not understanding, is so she's the only person that we know that knows about From Before, from I think so, except the dream, I guess, with Elgin.

Speaker 4: 13:39

Well, yeah, there's another person. But I'm just saying he was on the bus too, too, when he was there, I mean have you been on a Greyhound lately?

Speaker 3: 13:49

I wonder if Elgin is the backup, because Tabitha didn't start talking about the kids until she saw the kids right In the tunnel, right. So if Elgin hasn't seen the kids, maybe he's the backup.

Speaker 2: 14:05

It's very strange how. It's just very strange. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4: 14:09

This is the first bit that we've heard of somebody having the knowledge of this place on the outside. Right.

Speaker 2: 14:17

Yeah, that was my point.

Speaker 3: 14:21

I'm wondering how she knew where to go so that she could cross in.

Speaker 4: 14:26

That was the question I thought. It's like my wife and I were sitting there watching it with our 12-year-old, who's also obsessed, and he does great with it by the way, he's an old soul yeah, better than me and we were just like, okay, so maybe she found out a way to get in, and if that's the case, why would she take her kids?

Speaker 3: 14:48

That's what I don't get, unless they were supposed to go with her. I mean, I felt bad for the dad when he mentions that he didn't listen to what everyone was saying about him, Because I mean he had to have been, you know, grilled by the cops and everyone must have thought that he did something you know, Unless unless she was doing all this, dreaming whatever, making these paintings, and then she came across the log.

Speaker 2: 15:22

Just so happened she brought her in because she brought her in?

Speaker 3: 15:29

yeah, for all we know you could have just been going to the grocery store or having kids up from school. Oh, that's true, that's true. But I was wondering because he's talking about, you know, her painting all these people that others had been sent or chosen, and it didn't happen. So I was wondering was the guy in the yellow suit, was he one? Was the Civil War soldier? Was the early gosh. It feels like even prior to colonialial Soldier. Did you see the one soldier with the stovepipe hat?

Speaker 2: 16:11

Yeah he seemed like he was fine.

Speaker 3: 16:13

Yeah, he seemed like he was fine.

Speaker 2: 16:17

No fun I was joking.

Speaker 3: 16:20

Tabitha used to be fun Also fun. Tabitha used to be fun, but like, and then going back to the church with the light coming out, all those crosses, but it seemed like a lot more than what's actually there right now.

Speaker 4: 16:36

You know like also the whole, like the whole episode with front to back from it goes from him not believing her and she's talking about a place like she's giving him enough information that it that he didn't believe until he heard about the children and then when he goes in the basement he knows everything about the place in. Yeah, in a sense, you know, I was like, yeah, it was strange to me that, and maybe it's because it's you know, 40 years ago and it's like it had to unlock with the children, but I thought that was. I was like, well, he knows a lot of information for not believing her in the first place.

Speaker 2: 17:11

Right, I think he was on guard because you know you have to remember he probably has been dealing with this and when you tell people this story's crazy, yeah, yeah and if, if he said to the cops listen, my wife has been having these visions of kids and seating and lights and this and that, and you know I totally understand he probably had some people that were crazies, that were either making a quote-unquote, making fun of him, bullying him or whatever versus I mean you know.

Speaker 2: 17:51

So I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of layers to this and it's not a, it's not a band-aid that you want to rip off anytime soon yeah, because he probably kept telling himself it was also something that he could have blamed her for, like she was having all this stuff.

Speaker 4: 18:06

It wasn't true. And then she went and did, disappeared, like he could have like blamed all of that for her and her having like a illness and that's why he lost his family. But he didn't, he didn't say anything that suggested that.

Speaker 3: 18:23

Yeah Right, I wouldn't. I mean he had to have been really grilled by the cops and he must have had an airtight alibi for when they went missing. Right. And then you know bringing the cops downstairs and showing them those paintings. Those are crazy paintings.

Speaker 4: 18:48

Right, that's a.

Speaker 3: 18:49

There's a lot to take in, although it looks like this, this one I can't think of what the name of this one is, you know that, famous screen yeah. That's what they look like.

Speaker 2: 18:59

What's really interesting about the paintings Lizzie and Andy? Really interesting about the paintings Lizzie and Andy and we're talking Andy Schrock. Episode two of season three is the one big painting of the I guess it's the children. Yeah, it's in Victor's room and it's one of the pictures that they show in the beginning of the show in the intro.

Speaker 3: 19:24

Oh, that's awesome Both of those paintings were downstairs.

Speaker 2: 19:25

Both the paintings were in the beginning of the show, in the intro oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 3: 19:27

Both of those paintings were downstairs Both the paintings were in the basement.

Speaker 2: 19:31

I'm saying the paintings in the basement. Some of those paintings are in Victor's room.

Speaker 3: 19:39

Oh, oh oh.

Speaker 2: 19:40

He's drawing them too.

Speaker 4: 19:42

Because he saw his mom drawing the paintings?

Speaker 2: 19:44

Yeah, yeah, it's. You know. Unfortunately and for those of you that are just watching, because I know some of your peeps are on here, like Galaxy, the Gaming and a whole bunch of other guys this show is a puzzle show, as Lizzie likes to say, and everything has a meaning. So the fact that Lizzie's hair is down has a meaning versus up, the fact that that actual diploma or whatever that is behind you has a meaning. Okay. Whatever those are, it has a meaning Okay.

Speaker 4: 20:17

John Griffin sent them to me to put them up.

Speaker 2: 20:19

Exactly I figured. I'm just saying you know that's that's, that's the way Lizzie rolls, so but I really think that the interaction and just so you folks know, we're going to be talking to Tabitha and Victor's dad this week and we're going to be posting that next week for next week's episode. So you know, stay tuned for that. We're going to get it out as quickly as we can. All right, some of us actually get to go on vacation twice a year and this is one of the weekends that we get to go on vacation.

Speaker 3: 20:56

That's so nice. I never go on vacation.

Speaker 2: 21:00

I don't know, we're not, we're not. You know um twice Anyway, so back to. Tabitha and Victor's dad. What else?

Speaker 3: 21:11

you got. Oh, one thing I wanted to mention. So, as they're going down into the basement, you know I caught a glimpse of the rocking horse, so then I had to rewind a glimpse of the rocking horse. So then I had to rewind and I saw the same rocking horse that's in it looks.

Speaker 3: 21:32

I didn't get a chance to go back but I think it might be the same rocking horse that was in the caves and I remember one of those old-fashioned kitchen st which I think is in the cave. I believe we saw a bird cage in the cave. There was a red wagon in the cage and I think it was a sled.

Speaker 2: 21:54

Megan also had a rocking horse, yeah.

Speaker 3: 21:56

Yeah, so yeah, that maybe that's where I saw the rocking horse, but I was kind of like I mean, all of those things are things you would find in a typical basement if you had kids.

Speaker 4: 22:09

Yeah, Actually that's an era.

Speaker 3: 22:13

Yeah, and like that kitchen stool. I remember seeing stools like that when I was a kid, you know, and you go to like thrift stores or estate sales and stuff. You still see those, you know they're still out and about and we know the red wagon hasn't gone anywhere. So that's like the quintessential toy for all kids, you know. But yeah, I just wanted to mention that before we moved on. I just wanted to mention that before we moved on. My second thing is Jim and Kenny coming back into town, not realizing anything is amiss.

Speaker 4: 22:53

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 22:53

And you know them finding food. They're very happy because they found a lot of food, but my question is and this is all I've got to say about that is is this place giving them hope?

Speaker 4: 23:07

that they're planting a seed and that's not going to end well, like that place where they found the food, like. My thought was like what if other people like actually exist there and then they're going to say you took, you started a war by taking our stuff and we don't you know, or yeah?

Speaker 2: 23:22

well, my take on it is a couple things, because I've been looking at the from, you know, facebook pages and whatever else. It could be a war. That's, that's the first thing it could be. It could be. A lot of people think that it's previous from people yeah, from back in the day, and they just died, yeah, and they didn't they didn't have anything, um, because, if you remember, they heard noises out there. Yeah right, so are they friends, foes or monsters, something?

Speaker 3: 23:55

exactly like I'm. You know what. I'm wondering because it's just occurring to me right now. Um, if now I can't spell perennial, sorry I probably can't either um, if okay, got it. Um, basically, are cabbages perennial like? Is that something that would come up again and again on its own?

Speaker 4: 24:24

nope it's a buy any like perfect like suspicious.

Speaker 2: 24:31

I just know one thing yeah, I think that that town could either be out of that area, might be just out of bounds, or or the monsters just don't give a crap about it right now, because maybe there's several froms areas. I mean you could take a deep dive.

Speaker 3: 24:52

I think that place had been a from area because of the scarecrows the wooden scarecrows.

Speaker 4: 24:59

Maybe they work.

Speaker 3: 25:00

So, yeah, maybe they work or maybe you know, as people settle, they settle in different places. Maybe there was lore with those cabins and so when people set up house, they set up on that main street. You know and found out much to their chagrin, it was not a safe neighborhood.

Speaker 4: 25:23

Right, so there's no roads. So like, yeah, that's a a very.

Speaker 2: 25:27

That takes it back to a a very you know one, one of the other points, one of the other things I think is kind of um interesting is boyd went out there, went to the spiders and whatever else you got kenny and and um matthews. Um, they, they go out, they go out and they have a different experience and it's a freaky experience with those scarecrows, slash whatever it was. There was no spider webs, there was none of that. You know what kind of me? Well, I think what kind of maze is? Are the monsters trying to play with them? What I mean? I think this whole season is about playing with your food, and I think we talked about that with when we talked to uh, harold. You know, they're just, they're just trying to mess with them and they don't want to kill Boyd because they just want to torture him, because killing him would be too easy, and I think that there's something about that.

Speaker 4: 26:36

There is something to that. As the viewer, you're just scared this season. I feel like we're going into this scared this season like. I feel like we're going into this like it's. It's funny that that the winter was on accident, because I learned that from listening to you two and I thought it was just to make you feel unsafe, like cold, no food, you know, death right away. And I was like, okay, they're just trying to make you very, very unsafe. It working. All of the actors are saying it only gets darker. And and I was thinking about about how what they did to Boyd in the barn and I was like as depressing and not hopeful as this season wants to make us feel, the fact that they're messing with Boyd, then is that they something that someone is doing, in that they view him as a threat, because they wouldn't, they would just kill him. But the fact that they're messing with them probably means they have to take him down a notch because they view him as a threat, which says that they can turn the tides in some aspect.

Speaker 3: 27:42

I'm wondering if they see him as a threat. I mean, basically, he taunted them at the end of the last season. You know like you can't break me, or was it? No, it was the end of the last season. You know like you can't break me, or was it? No, it was the end of last season.

Speaker 2: 27:56

No, it was episode one, it was this season. It was this season, it was the beginning of episode one.

Speaker 3: 28:01

And you know, and that's what they lead with in the barn.

Speaker 4: 28:05

Yeah, I mean, it could just be sadistic.

Speaker 3: 28:07

Absolutely, absolutely. But I think that they are keeping him alive because he's fighting to keep so many other people alive that he could be the aside. I'm starting to wonder about donna. He could be the toughest one to break because he's so filled with hope but the problem is, if he dies it's all.

Speaker 2: 28:30

It's gonna be like a house of cards and they want to keep him around. They want to keep him around to keep this game going. But to your. But to your point, lizzie, somebody just posted any annual or biannual could self-seed, but the plants are weeded, da-da-da-da other things. But I just wanted to kind of throw that out there because I know how much that's important to you and to all the viewers, because you know self-seeding cabbage is where it's at right now.

Speaker 3: 29:02

Well, do a lot with cabbage.

Speaker 2: 29:05

You can make a lot of cabbage soup. You can roll grape leaves or cabbage leaves. I'm Middle Eastern, so if you can't stuff it with meat and rice, then we don't want it. Um, this is all being said when come. When kenny comes into town, he's they got all this food. You know, somebody had said it in the comments and I didn't. I didn't, um, for whatever reason, I didn't pin it, but that was, that was just heartbreaking, yeah yeah I mean it's like there's a joke and they don't know what it is, kind of thing yeah

Speaker 3: 29:37

all right so let's leave them there, because we still need to go see um victor, not victor jade, jade and um boyd. So it's the next morning. Jade and Victor are in the barn. Victor doesn't want Jade to go outside, but Jade has to. He has to know what's going on. So he finds Boyd in the barn handcuffed to the beam. And you know, in a way I was kind of I don't know, I was kind of hoping they wouldn't leave him that way. It might make him look suspicious if he was loose in that barn and Tian Chen was dead like that. But I mean, they all know that the monster is out.

Speaker 3: 30:27

Yeah so. I was surprised there was no suspicion on him right exactly everyone exactly they're on the edge already blood on him and stuff yeah yeah, so he's repeating tian chen's last words over and over again, as if, um, he doesn't want to forget it, and maybe that's the only thing from keeping him from losing his mind. And you know, I really didn't want to see Mrs Blue like that. Yeah. It was awful. It was awful.

Speaker 4: 31:01

I thought they stopped before. It could have got a lot worse. Oh yeah, I was like how much, how gnarly is this going to be?

Speaker 3: 31:08

Watching that. I didn't need to see it. It was pretty bad. I will say this how gnarly is this going to be Watching that?

Speaker 2: 31:12

I didn't need to see it, it was pretty funny. I will say this when it comes to her character and let's just talk about her character for a second, we're going to get into what ended up happening but she really was the mother of Frump, was the mother of from, I mean, you know, in the scene, in the scene before, I mean that, the episode before she's got ethan by the head yellow on the hand like I loved that she.

Speaker 2: 31:42

She yells at jade when he first comes in and can't knees. I mean she is the the pulse of the town Feeding the community yeah. And even like you know, donna, donna respected her more than anybody. Yeah, because it was kind of like you know, yes, it's Donna and Boyd, but you know Boyd's she's just a great cog in the whole thing.

Speaker 4: 32:14

Yeah, and it's really beautiful how, like I said earlier, that we got to take a beat and just mourn her along with the characters and just to see everyone. Everyone pretty much got their reaction. You got to see everyone kind of taking it in and and the episode's masterfully written, of course, as it always is how it comes together with the, with henry's monologue and it goes into the funeral. When you're seeing both, you know both of the stories come together.

Speaker 3: 32:38

It's just wow I mean no one's drugging them anymore.

Speaker 2: 32:44

Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, somebody else may, else may, but yeah, so Please go.

Speaker 3: 32:52

Anyway, jade frees Boyd and my question is is Boyd broken yet? Because I don't think he is Like looking at him in that moment. He seemed kind of broken yeah.

Speaker 4: 33:11

He's cracking. But yeah, he's cracking, but I mean that way he's pissed when he pulls ellis aside, I was like, oh, here's it begins, he's, this is he's gonna unravel throughout the season.

Speaker 3: 33:21

I feel like yeah, yeah, I think that's what we're looking at. But yeah, I mean, he's gosh, I don't know him. And and Donna, but Donna has been what a great scene like just under the surface. She's always cracking. Yeah. You know, like she was fine when in the heyday of Colony House. But as soon as that house was attacked, like she's been cracking yeah, like you, you're seeing cracks, but wait one second. Like you, you're seeing cracks.

Speaker 2: 33:50

But Wait one second. Daryl says Boyd is not broken yet, he just wants to kick some monster butt. And I really do. I really do believe he's more pissed. Yeah that they killed her. It's like avenge me, you know, kind of thing More than anything else.

Speaker 3: 34:15

At the end, or is it at the beginning of red dawn?

Speaker 2: 34:17

in the middle it's when they start, when, when they start going on, uh, their their killing spree. And for those of you that are used to the 2000s red dawn, no, that's not the one we were, we're 80s people this is old school, old school yeah so you know, I hated the flashback of watching mrs lou get ripped apart.

Speaker 3: 34:39

Didn't need to see that. But my one comment is that you know the cowboy's wife. Yeah, the one with the hair oh yeah she was holding her purse the whole time like her. Like she goes to grab mrs lou cowboy's wife purse wife's purse is in the shot. Like she had that purse on her the whole time, which I was like wow like she couldn't put it down. Yeah, I had, I had I rewound because I was like wait a minute, but I just noticed that little thing.

Speaker 4: 35:14

Interesting.

Speaker 3: 35:14

But my question was how did they decide who would get to be in the barn, like, how did the monsters decide who would get to be in the barn?

Speaker 4: 35:24

I don't know. I think they were just hoping. But also, what would they have done if it was just Boyd? Do you think they were just like ah well, we were going to have some fun, but some.

Speaker 2: 35:33

No, but they would probably just torture the crap out of them, maybe take off his nails or whatever.

Speaker 3: 35:37

Yeah, I mean, the thing was like they knew there was a pretty good chance, if everyone's so hungry and worried about the animals, that someone, if they got let the animals free, that someone would come out, and most likely that person would probably be Boyd. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 35:56

I wasn't expecting the other three, so do you think he should have just not went out? I mean, it wouldn't have been as exciting, but you have all day to try to go wrangle cows.

Speaker 3: 36:08

That's the whole thing, Like when Donna comes in yelling at him. I'm like she's not wrong, because where are the animals going to go out to the woods where they found them before?

Speaker 4: 36:19

Yeah, but in that moment I get why he ran out to like you're losing your mind and then the worst thing imaginable happens. You got to try to fix it and that's right.

Speaker 2: 36:28

You know what, though I mean it. And that's right. You know what though I mean. They're all under stress. That's the only set of resources that they have, and they don't call mr lovin fishes for anything you know, for they call him that for a reason. So we're you know he's looking at it from the resources aspect, right, but it goes back to randall, wasn't wrong?

Speaker 3: 36:49

No, Randall was ahead of his time. Randall was ahead of his time.

Speaker 2: 36:54

But Randall knows something. Randall and Julie. And you know what's her name the druggie. Ariel Ariel. Yeah, they know something and they're, I think, going to be a crucial part of whatever this season has to offer, because they were in the mind, the Masters were in their minds, or whatever the heck it was.

Speaker 3: 37:20

But so far, Julie seems to be the only one that's greatly changed Like. Marielle is straight now, but she was working on that to begin with, and then Randall did something nice. I think he would have saved them anyway but, Julie is greatly changed.

Speaker 2: 37:43

Well, I think the reason why Julie has changed is because she hasn't changed. She said something to Jimim, to her father, to jim. I'm not going through this again, yeah well, no, she hasn't yeah, but she's what is what I mean by that is, she's like it's not your fault, but she's already been down this road with her dad and she's like I'm done with this. I, I need to deal with my shit, but I also need to I've already been. We've already done this well I took it.

Speaker 3: 38:17

I took it as her saying I was the parent before to ethan when thomas died. I need you to be my parent right now, yeah we're seeing the same thing yeah, but he was yeah, he was being the parent.

Speaker 4: 38:32

He was being the parent in the wrong direction.

Speaker 3: 38:34

Right, exactly so, boyd and Christy standing at the pool and for once they talked about one of the abandoned vehicles, which is the truck upside down in the pool, which makes me wonder were were that? Was that couple in the truck like trying to get away from monsters when that happened um, because how else? Or maybe they didn't have the, the, the spike thing yet and they did it somehow other, some other way but they knew their names, though they knew that unless they looked at licenses or something, but it seemed like they knew them.

Speaker 4: 39:19

How long has Christy been there? I know you have the timeline. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:25

While she's getting the timeline. Okay, no, she's got it back, that's right, six months.

Speaker 3: 39:30

Okay, so that's a substantial time, yeah so that couple was there in the last six months yeah basically um, yeah, and and how long, how long have we been in from? Uh, just over two weeks, we need to be like the whole.

Speaker 4: 39:49

Like the place ages you faster yeah that's like, if you look at jade's.

Speaker 3: 39:54

Jade is like does not have three weeks of hair growth yeah oh, he's coming in gray like yeah yeah I have a very finish my count. Like I'm up to like nine days.

Speaker 4: 40:11

You should do it before and after I'm into the second season Of like season, like episode one to you know, whatever episode that you do the like, just take a picture, that's a good idea, that'd be interesting.

Speaker 2: 40:22

So the real question is since we have Andy on and I know the answer to this- Okay. So if you weren't from, oh god, I know, you probably always would have, um, you know, a skateboard. Oh yeah, my, now my son. There is an empty pool, dude oh, that's yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:42

So the question is that still isn't a good pool yeah, are you trying to mess?

Speaker 4: 40:48

with it right now, yeah yeah, he'd use it, he'd ollie over the truck, probably so they would never do that, but that would be so fun to see a skateboarder in from I mean, I mean how I just had to.

Speaker 2: 41:02

I had to, um uh, throw that out there, since, since you are that, that is your, your uh primary right, you would not get the boot either.

Speaker 4: 41:10

I don't think, unless you're making noise, you know, maybe I know, yeah, you won't get off my lawn, get off my lawn.

Speaker 2: 41:18

Yeah, so where are we, my dear, all right.

Speaker 3: 41:21

So Boyd and Christy are talking at the pool.

Speaker 4: 41:27

And that's a great one. The whole episode is one big, beautiful scene, like every single scene. Yeah, is just it.

Speaker 4: 41:32

Just it really needed after the what happens in the previous episode yeah, yeah and and I didn't think we were gonna get this season, because everyone says it just gets, keeps getting worse, and there was so much tragedy and despair in this episode, but there was, there was redeeming moments that we got to. You know, we have to see a little bit of light and feel good about what just happened yeah, I don't know if you're a walking dead end.

Speaker 2: 41:59

Uh, andy, are you walking?

Speaker 4: 42:00

I read like 95 of the comics. I love those um graphic novels and, uh, I didn't finish the show but I was.

Speaker 2: 42:09

I'm a fan in general yeah, well, the reason I bring that up, you know I the big criticism with the walking dead was the negan years on tv and that's where we lost a lot of viewership. Yeah, and talking to harold and and and liz who plays Donna, it's so heavy, it's like dude, don't lose us, don't make it so depressing.

Speaker 4: 42:39

I think, that's really smart, in fact, my mom. When I got into Frum, I started shouting on top of a mountaintop. It's really annoying when everyone doesn't just drop what they're doing. You're alone, because that's what you should do.

Speaker 3: 42:54

Hey, we should have hooked up a long time ago, I know.

Speaker 4: 42:56

Well, I'm here.

Speaker 3: 42:58

I was there with you.

Speaker 4: 42:59

I was there with you, yeah, but my mom was like I'll wait until season two and I'll watch season one.

Speaker 2: 43:12

I'm getting off on a tangent here. No, I'm just going to let you guys have the show, since you guys have been here the longest, and I'm just going to leave.

Speaker 4: 43:16

Yeah, but oh okay. So my mom, she's so into it now, like just she talks all these theories. I'm in a group chat with my uncle and my mom and just all these theories. It's amazing. Can I get in that? You probably can.

Speaker 3: 43:33

Can I get?

Speaker 4: 43:33

in all that. Yeah, you probably can't watch this episode. He doesn't want me to talk about it to him. Yeah, well, I'll get you some numbers. Um, all right, negan, when he when the, the episode that the that turned walking dead and it got gnarly, my mom just shut it off and I was like yeah, I hope they don't like rip our hearts out like like they did on walking dead, but I'll be in it for the long haul yeah all right, we gotta keep going here, because we're so back to boyd and christy, and they're talking at the pool and christy tells boyd that it wasn't his fault and all I can think is to go back to you know him saying you didn't break me, you can't break me.

Speaker 3: 44:14

And my thought is but isn't it, isn't it his fault, isn't it? You know they, you know can they break him or can't they? I'm I don't know if I want to see Boyd broken at the end.

Speaker 4: 44:33

I don't know. I think it's going to get really close. I mean, like you know, structurally, from a story point, although you know, if any show is going to send us a different way than we thought we were going, it'd probably be this one. I think it's going to get darn close, hanging by a thread, but I mean, that's what? At the same time, though, everyone, you know, we all think Boyd's the hero, but then this new thing comes along, and now Tabitha is like the chosen one. Right.

Speaker 4: 45:00

But I think we'll get darn close. I think we're going to see some dark stuff for Boyd.

Speaker 3: 45:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:06

Well, and the funny thing about Tabitha is there's a lot of people on these From sites that just don't like her. Oh really.

Speaker 3: 45:12

Oh, there's someone in our thread that hates her.

Speaker 2: 45:17

Oh my God, it's like oh, it's so annoying Da-da-da-dum and she's watching a whole lot.

Speaker 3: 45:23

There's always someone saying that someone is boring and annoying. Yeah. You know, but all of these characters have a definite part to play in this whole thing. Like there's, there are no wasted characters, except like I keep waiting for us to find the purpose of Tilly.

Speaker 2: 45:44

You know, like Tilly's there to screw with us.

Speaker 3: 45:48

I don't know, unless she's just supposed to be the guest star in Elgin's Dreams. So I'm waiting to see what's up with Tilly. But you know, the worst part of this episode was Kenny coming into town and finding out that it's his mom and he's outside the house calling for her and he knows like.

Speaker 4: 46:13

he doesn't even try to go in because he knows she's not in there yeah he just knows that it's her and oh, it's just like a little puppy, like calling for its mom, yeah, and he's, I feel like he's the one that it's like during season two and into this season we're like I hope he doesn't die, but yeah, but now he's kind of like he's got nothing to lose yeah, I mean he's like and he proves that.

Speaker 2: 46:45

He proves that at the end, which we'll talk about. So he's a really, really, really powerful character right and and, and somebody put this in the chat, which I thought was kind of interesting. You know, uh, what was the song playing at the diner when he ended up blowing?

Speaker 3: 47:01

it up times celebration. Yeah, I was just about to go there, I didn't that's a midge premature I.

Speaker 4: 47:08

I thought I was. I knew cause. I saw the clip in the in the trailer and I was like that's about to about to happen. Of course, yeah, and, and I was. I was expecting a darker, more twisted song than like an upbeat one like that. But isn't that twisted though? Yeah, it's. I'm so pretty, yeah, yeah, it's like I just thought, because you know you unplug, like the lamps don't need to be plugged in to be on. You know, I was like this is not gonna and he does so good for yeah you gotta win.

Speaker 3: 47:38

I wonder if they let, if they let him think that he stopped it like that he stopped the jukebox well, the psychological war is definitely like yeah, so, yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 4: 47:52

I mean the end of the episode that was.

Speaker 3: 47:55

Yeah, and that was like a little bit of power. But let's see, wait a minute, oh I can't, oh it was just that. But the jukebox clicks on when Christy leaves Larry. Yeah, all right, yeah, cause I mean it's just that little conversation between him and Christy and the diner and then she leaves him. But he asked her to clean up his mom, basically make her look okay, and she goes back and she does that, and Jade is there with him.

Speaker 4: 48:32

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 48:34

And that's another beautiful thing.

Speaker 4: 48:37

But insanely beautiful scene.

Speaker 2: 48:40

Yeah, and if you've ever had to go through anything like that with a family member, it's. It's hard enough in the real world, and when you're in this, in this environment, it's it. She was just so beloved right and they were beautiful, I mean as she is, and yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 49:06

Oh my god, we love her so much. Liz Moy is one of our favorite.

Speaker 2: 49:10

She was like our first or second episode.

Speaker 4: 49:16

It was Donna, not Donna.

Speaker 3: 49:18

Liz Saunders, then Liz Moy.

Speaker 4: 49:23

We're so lucky that, especially when I watch all of the episodes, that when you have the cast on, we are very lucky. The show exists, it's awesome, uh, and the, the crew, the cast, they all want to be there. They like, they enjoy watching it and talking about it, I was like we don't deserve. We don't deserve the people working on this show.

Speaker 3: 49:46

Yeah, you're great. I've been on plenty of shows where the actors are not happy.

Speaker 2: 49:51

Yeah, and they don't want to talk about it. So yeah, the reason is they're all Canadian. They're just the nicest people in the world. Apparently yeah, and they're going to try to take us over with Zamboni technology. But in the meantime, you know, we just have to embrace them. And we're lucky enough to know Bob who is the mayor of Canada. We like to kid Bob Mann about it. He's the unofficial mayor of Canada. In Alabama he played Frank it's just the way we go?

Speaker 4: 50:27

No, I'm just making sure he was two episodes ago, I believe.

Speaker 2: 50:31

He's been on a few times, yeah you really are you really are? A fan you're the person actually listening.

Speaker 4: 50:38

Yeah, well, I especially, like I've been rocking a lot of episodes recently he um bop comes on to open and close with us oh.

Speaker 3: 50:48

He's like our official color commentator, so and and the thing is, he doesn't know anything about the show anymore because no one can talk about it. Right but he is just as into it as we are it's awesome so, and you can see, yeah which is awesome.

Speaker 2: 51:04

And what's really great about it is and we've said this before he gives such a great perspective from the actor point. Yeah, and when we had, when we booked him, we're like what the heck is this guy going to talk about? He's been, he's been on the show for like three seconds and I'm like this guy could talk.

Speaker 3: 51:23

He's interesting no, but.

Speaker 2: 51:25

And then we heard him talk yeah and I'm like this is we. We got to get him on. He's awesome, he's a member of the hosts.

Speaker 4: 51:33

Now right.

Speaker 2: 51:35

He's one of the unofficial third member I got to tell you. You know, bob, if you're listening, he's doing a really good job and he's doing a really good job.

Speaker 3: 51:47

Yeah so yeah, crap, I forgot what I wanted to say.

Speaker 2: 51:54

All right, so we need to get to. We need to get to, uh, kenny and clara well, we finished kenny and clara.

Speaker 3: 51:58

I was hopping over to jade, christie and mrs lou. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. What I meant to get out of liz moy last week was whether or not she was present for those scenes, because remember, when um bob was dead, when frank was dead, bob was actually in those scenes like he was in the wagon, as they were pulling him.

Speaker 4: 52:27

He was the dead body in the in the box, I thought about that when I, when I was watching it, like I was, like it looked, you can see it being either way. If it was a really good uh prop, or it was her like in, because there were pieces right behind her that she could have been like in, you know yeah, exactly um, like what they do like special effects, you know, like incredible. I think the full effects on the show are just good.

Speaker 2: 52:57

Like well I think they bumped it up.

Speaker 3: 53:01

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4: 53:02

And I like how they. They just like they stay right up in front and center visually.

Speaker 4: 53:07

Yeah, oh, yeah and then I'm sorry, oh, go go. I'm just saying when, um, when elgin in his dream, when the like bloody, uh, whatever the the monster's name is called, I know everyone. I think that was one of the creep, probably the creepiest shot to me of the whole series. And when it was just out of focus and blurry, and when it went into focus I understood it needed to happen to wake him up and scare him and do that. But I was like if they just would have let that sit and just cut, I would have been like that.

Speaker 3: 53:40

So I'm so more scared that nothing else absolutely I'm just wondering what her being japanese has to do with anything.

Speaker 4: 53:50

I heard that from you and I was like oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 53:55

Because she's wearing a kimono and she's got long black hair, which makes me think so, the US, everyone's just from the continental United States, right?

Speaker 4: 54:07

Ironically too.

Speaker 2: 54:10

It's.

Speaker 4: 54:11

Mrs Liu.

Speaker 3: 54:12

No.

Speaker 4: 54:14

Well, that's on the board, they're. Chinese, aren't they Chinese? Well, I think they're from the States. Well, it's not, it's their ancestry. Sure yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:30

I'm just being a jerk about that.

Speaker 3: 54:31

I'm like it's mrs loo all right, so anyway, um, they finished getting mrs loo ready for kenny and jade says if you put any more lipstick on her she might sit up and smack the lipstick out of your hand. True.

Speaker 4: 54:50

Which I love. We got some great moments in a very dark time of the series.

Speaker 3: 54:57

Exactly Like he called her. And then Jade says you know, he repeats what Mrs Lou said to him at the end of first season they, they go with you when you go.

Speaker 4: 55:08

Yeah. Or they come with you when you go Look at the growth of that character in two weeks, and not just his facial hair.

Speaker 3: 55:14

Yeah, yeah, I know Exactly.

Speaker 2: 55:17

That's a great character.

Speaker 3: 55:19

She made such an indelible mark on him. On everybody. She made him human yeah.

Speaker 4: 55:25

But it's really very noticeably insignificant in him because he went from the guy stealing bikes, which he still has. Yeah, you know, he rode his bike to the to the cave at the end of season two. Who rides a bike in the woods? Anyway, that wouldn't that. I dare say that wouldn't have worked, but it was a really funny detail if there's no path, it's hard to ride in the woods.

Speaker 3: 55:47

It's like I grew up, you know, riding my bike in the woods, but we had a path he had trails, so like we would just yeah, we would just follow those trails, um. So, let's see, I'm looking around um crap, okay. Oh, because that was at number 11, am I at 12?

Speaker 4: 56:08

really where's 12, how many oh?

Speaker 2: 56:12

julie and sarah that's a big like total that tells me that was a lot of fun. That was so much fun to watch julie and sarah.

Speaker 3: 56:23

Like julie's saying, I think I'm like you now I totally get you did she say that she, I totally get you no, no, no like the vibe of it when she went to talk to sarah.

Speaker 3: 56:35

That's basically what she was saying yeah, yeah you know, and sarah was like come talk to me anytime yeah because both of them well, along with um, along with marielle and randall, but marielle and randall didn't know sarah before and you know julie, finally, you know being like I get it now. It reminded me and I don't expect you to have to have seen these movies, this movie, or have read the book, but bridges of madison county oh, oh yeah someone in the chat. I'm so because it's like a legendary movie I've seen.

Speaker 4: 57:11

I've heard nothing but good things. And I of Madison County, oh yeah, someone in the chat, so because it's like a legendary movie, I've heard nothing but good things and I guess, book. I'm sorry, I haven't. Sorry to disappoint.

Speaker 3: 57:19

I mean it's like a novella. And then it's Clint Eastwood and Meryl Streep are in the movie. It's a total chick. Oh is it. It's a chick flick yeah. Yeah. But Sarah had become the Redfield woman. The Redfield woman, like Redfield, was a last name. Unless you've seen the movie, you don't know what the Redfield woman is. Does it sound like a sort of a letter In a sense? Yeah, it is the Scarlet Letter. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 57:50

Assumed.

Speaker 3: 57:51

Yeah, in a sense. Yeah, it is the scarlet letter. Yeah, assumed, yeah, um, and so my question was will julie and sarah become friends and was sarah ever normal? Like we don't know if sarah was ever normal I still believe that her brother wasn't her brother.

Speaker 4: 58:08

There's definitely a weird vibe there. Yeah it was definitely good.

Speaker 2: 58:14

One thing about this show that I don't like is they don't do a lot of backstory and not just her, but the whole cast.

Speaker 4: 58:24

Yeah, I know they're separate shows. I don't think there's any sense like oh, compare it to Lost, it's not, but Lost was very nice about that where it's like I mean, you're going to get 80 episodes this season, you're going to get 40 of them telling you what they did when they were.

Speaker 2: 58:43

They had more time?

Speaker 4: 58:44

Yeah, they had more time In this show.

Speaker 2: 58:45

You had more time. That's the problem.

Speaker 3: 58:48

But Backstory was born because of Lost. That term didn't exist before Lost.

Speaker 4: 58:55

Really yeah Well, they definitely drove it home and I love it. I'm a huge Lost fan.

Speaker 3: 59:02

Yeah, they invented it.

Speaker 2: 59:04

Watch the show.

Speaker 3: 59:05

But then my other question is why like? Why were the four of them chosen to be? Because like? Like who they're speaking yeah, I'm wondering whether if there was any communication going on during that whole cicada I don't know, but sarah's definitely a different communication than the the cicada trio he's in cicada right yeah not right I know, it wasn't cicada I like cicada

Speaker 2: 59:34

yeah yeah, I don't know you really are a fan because let me tell you that's all I ever hear cicada cicada get my cicada out of the car.

Speaker 3: 59:48

Well, yeah, get some soda out of the cellar. All right, I'm getting carried away, so all right, I'm at the funeral and then I've got two booms that we need to talk about. Okay. So I mean it was great seeing the entire town in the church for the funeral. Did you notice Randall standing against the back wall?

Speaker 4: 1:00:18

I know I watched the episode and then came in here and set my computer up and jumped on. So we usually watch it and then we watch it one more time and the second through. I get to look at all the details, so I did not notice. Yeah, but you're right, andy, I need to like look at all the details.

Speaker 2: 1:00:33

So I did not know. Yeah, but you're right, andy, I need to know. There are the little details that you always have to watch. I try to watch the show at least three times, yeah, before I can like talk intelligently about it, and you still miss. And then people will come on like in the chat and be like, oh well, this happened. I'm like, really there's more that I didn't pay attention to. How did I not see that, like the wagon wheel was on the ceiling but then it was in the other cabin? I'm like, all right.

Speaker 4: 1:01:03

Yeah, okay, the show is like infinitely like that and I think it's kind of poetic and beautiful that it's almost like a mirror, that, as a as you watch it and you get into it, you start questioning wait, he used that word or she used this phrase, what do they mean by that? And then to the point where, like, you're overthinking things so much and you feel a little crazy and you're watching people feel a little crazy and you're like they do a good job on making the viewer like almost like a parallel in a way yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:38

But back to the funeral. I think it was really special I bet for the actors as well that they all were in the same scene. I mean, this is an ensemble cast, it's hard to get everybody um in place, but I I do really believe that the one thing that I was surprised about in the trailer is that they showed the plate.

Speaker 3: 1:02:00

Yeah, I'm really surprised by I mean, alex, remember when I realized what that was I was not a happy, not a happy camper.

Speaker 4: 1:02:12

I watched, that was so after I watched you, I wasn't even gonna watch the trailers. It's like the polar opposite. You guys study it so much I. I love this yeah much that I just wanted to like watch it authentically and raw, so I so I'm glad I watched that episode where you discovered it after I had already seen the first episode, because that was a dead giveaway.

Speaker 2: 1:02:33

I mean, the bottom line is, you know, kenny has lost his parents, which you know both, at the hands of something that could have been prevented. Let's call it what it is.

Speaker 3: 1:02:50

Yeah, I mean something yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:54

He's not in a good place, he's pissed off and careless, you know careless. He's, he's looking, he's looking, he's looking for revenge and you know we'll see what happens. But um, what, you know, I'm sorry. I know, I know, sorry, I know, I know you wanted to talk more about the funeral. I really have nothing else to say except for oh, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:03:18

You know, I was just looking at my notes just to jump over Cause like Donna. I mean, ethan goes to talk to Donna while Donna is butchering the cow, which I'm kind of like I don't know. You know, kind of like I don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:03:33

Poor Ethan.

Speaker 3: 1:03:34

You know, kind of like should he be seeing that? But you know. Yeah, they do on the farm. It's part of being on the farm, it is.

Speaker 4: 1:03:41

He's going to grow up a lot faster than even on a farm, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:03:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:03:47

He's going to have gray hair in season four.

Speaker 4: 1:03:50

Jade's beard in a few episodes.

Speaker 3: 1:03:55

If he doesn't have it by the end. Yeah, and um, you know he's. He asked if that's what tian chen looked like after they were done with her and I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 4: 1:04:05

yeah, and with that's creepy he needs and it was kind of like a carl thing, yeah he needs someone to hold him so much in that and it's really sad that in this episode, like Victor storming out, there's a lot going on in this episode Dunn-Pack yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:21

Yeah, victor, victor was not a happy camper. He's like I'm out, this is. This is crazy. And if Victor's, because that guy has been through it, yeah, and.

Speaker 4: 1:04:32

I was like I'm getting emotionally attached to this first time in a long time. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, Go ahead. You go ahead, Victor, I think he's first. He's getting emotionally attached for for the first time in a long time.

Speaker 3: 1:04:44

Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't like that. There's people that care about him, that he cares about. Yeah yeah, so you know any and ethan comments on the snow and I was thinking I love that it's snowing in almost every scene and it's because and to me I'm like that is the shit piling up for them the more the snow falls. I'm like, wow, they couldn't have asked for a better reason to delay so that they could actually get the snow yeah you know, just the symbolism uh, you know donna's, donna's had a couple of conversations with ethan.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

Yeah, through the series yeah, and yeah, I mean, there's just a bunch of different scenes and I mean, let's face it, if Ian isn't an alcoholic or a drug user after all this, he should be and he deserves it. Everyone should be, andy, because I know Lizzie and I have our opinions. What do you think is? Are you about the mole? Are you about the Kramanakal? Are you about the.

Speaker 4: 1:05:59

I feel like they haven't really went heavy on the Kramanakal since season one, so I lean away from that at this point. The mole is super interesting. I think that's fascinating. I think we're going to gonna. It would be really interesting to see like a big baddie arise, like so we could almost put a face to it. Uh yeah, or a set of faces, not just, not just the monsters which are like you know, are like our infantry, you know there are like our front line I want to see the general because there's density and I and I and I think that a mole would be very interesting.

Speaker 4: 1:06:35

The thing with there being a mole, I feel like donna and tilly are a little too obvious at this point and also the community helps this feeling a lot of times because people keep talking about stuff so much. But yeah, so I don't know. I think I would lean more to the mole theory and I think, from just a just watching it, it's vastly more interesting and it's way more dramatic and we're getting more drama this season.

Speaker 2: 1:07:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:07:00

I'm going to tell you right now if one of those people, one of our core people, turns out to be a freaking monster, I'm going to lose my shit. I am going to tell you right now I am going to lose it because that would be the biggest spoiler of all spoilers. Yeah, I know nothing. I know nothing. We have not, we have not gone ahead, and I don't think they would reveal that yet. But if they do that and it's, and it's someone that's like I don't even know, like for lack of a better term Kenny, or, or somebody like you know that you just wouldn't expect. Yeah, Like you'd never expect her. Yeah, Like I'm just saying, I would lose my shit.

Speaker 4: 1:07:44

Has anyone ever brought up the theory of it being like, like, almost like connected, like the Salem witch trials, like an evolution of that over time? No, almost like connected, like the salem witch trials, like an evolution of that over time? No, why is so in? In the salem witch trials, like, the first three witches that were like were killed, were two, sarahs and titiba, and titiba is not a modern name but tabitha is no, titiba was not killed. Was she accused then or booked she?

Speaker 3: 1:08:12

was accused. What happened was that Tituba worked in Samuel Parrish's home. Samuel Parrish was one of the ministers and he was the minister in Salem Village. Yeah, and of course, tabitha's acting Village.

Speaker 4: 1:08:33

Yeah, and of course Tabitha's actually a witch. Sorry, I was just pulling these names and they're very famous witch names.

Speaker 3: 1:08:44

Yeah, and it got me thinking yeah, it did work.

Speaker 4: 1:08:46

Like the rune or symbol, you know, or seeing that it's very witch vibe. So I was like this could be some evolution of that or would explain a lot of this stuff being possible.

Speaker 3: 1:08:59

I mean I'm sitting here, oh, that's my guitar book, mikey Clayley. I've got this book sitting here, which is Sir William.

Speaker 4: 1:09:09

Yeah, you're ready to school me on my Salem witch stuff, and I love that I'm here for Smith. Yeah, you're ready to school me on my Salem Witch stuff, and I love that I'm here for it.

Speaker 3: 1:09:13

Yeah, well, I have a partially written book that I wrote during COVID.

Speaker 4: 1:09:19

That's awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:09:20

So that's why, but Sarah Good and Sarah Nurse?

Speaker 4: 1:09:25

Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:09:26

And both of them were hung.

Speaker 4: 1:09:28

And Tituba.

Speaker 3: 1:09:29

They were yeah, tituba was just a slave and um, she ended up. No one knows what happened to her, but she got sold off okay, it's something good and again, I don't think they're gonna.

Speaker 4: 1:09:43

it's good, I wouldn't think it would be so like exact of the salem witch, but some evolution of witchcraft that built this place is is a that I didn't know had been talked about. It'd be interesting. Yeah, definitely. Everything you're seeing I feel like could go that vibe.

Speaker 3: 1:10:02

Yeah, yeah, it definitely could. And the thing about it is, when I saw that one painting of the oldest soldier right, that's where I was going I was like that's like 1690s, like 16 yeah it wasn't quite 1670s.

Speaker 3: 1:10:23

well, it could have been 1670s, but it was that kind of style, yeah, and that's what it made me think of. And when we see the three cabins and you know they were talking about this in the comments over there but the three cabins and you know they were talking about this in the comments over there, but the three cabins, like it takes so much to build one cabin, you know, and manpower or limited tools and whatever it took just to build those cabins. We don't know just how old they are, but then, looking at the scarecrows that they created, they seemed more like very folkloric.

Speaker 4: 1:11:11

Yes, you know what I mean? Yeah, old.

Speaker 3: 1:11:12

Yeah, like it would have been of that time, like the folklore-y yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:11:15

Yeah, old yeah, like it would have been of that time, like the late 1600s and also a lot of curse, like things going on like the season 2 story arc, and then now with Fatima and her eating like rotten stuff. Oh my god.

Speaker 3: 1:11:29

Yeah, I meant to talk about that.

Speaker 4: 1:11:30

It was very witch like a curse too.

Speaker 3: 1:11:32

It was very yes. And talk about that. It was very witch, like a curse too. It was very yes.

Speaker 2: 1:11:34

And they stuck that in right at the end. It was so creepy.

Speaker 3: 1:11:36

Right to it Perfectly creepy and like I was looking, because I was looking at the staircase that Tabitha had walked up in the lighthouse and between 1609 and 1703, 1609 would probably be unlikely for white settlers depending, like if that was Virginia maybe. Right. Because wasn't it 1608? They landed right and then remember that that first settlement just completely disappeared.

Speaker 2: 1:12:13

They died. Well, they don't know they never found trace of them.

Speaker 4: 1:12:17

What's that roanoke right? Are you talking about roanoke? Yes, we're getting into some interesting stuff here. That would be. That would be crazy you know, it's really I know it's not, it has has. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:12:33

Oh my God, because one of the dates, one of the years if those are years that are on that staircase 1609, that's where that settlement came from.

Speaker 4: 1:12:44

That'd be crazy If you just broke up, open some, some season four.

Speaker 3: 1:12:50

I need to write an article about this and get it published, but yeah, but like, think about that. I can't remember when they sailed away to go back to europe to get more people yeah, they came, but when?

Speaker 4: 1:13:03

they came back remember that whole settlement was gone I've listened to multiple podcasts talk about that and it's there's very specific dates and very it'd be easy to get, obtain that and try to line it up.

Speaker 3: 1:13:13

Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I could Google it right now, but then 1703. So 1703 was that other date and that would kind of be that. Look, I think of that first soldier, but I don't even know what we were talking about. My mind was blown with three cabins.

Speaker 4: 1:13:36

I thought when actually when season two happened, I would be like this would be really, really cool if when you're like looking around the lighthouse you could see other buildings in the distance. That would have like, yeah, but then you know, come season three, it happens right away without seeing over. But that would have been a really creepy look like over, I know, and they never showed it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:54

They just they showed trees, yeah, but you couldn't see anything else wonder not even the town guys, in 1703, the great storm uh ravaged southern um england. Oh wait, no. I thought it's a new england. Sorry, oh okay, um, oh wait, no, no. I thought it said New England. Sorry, oh okay, oh wait, no, no. Eddie Stone Lighthouse off of Plymouth was destroyed in a storm designed by Henry E E E Plymouth, England. That matters, I know it does. It's kind of a small little detail, right.

Speaker 3: 1:14:33

We don't even know where this place is.

Speaker 4: 1:14:36

No.

Speaker 3: 1:14:36

I was in a little bit of a Facebook tiff because this girl was like oh, they're in Michigan, because this, this and that's in Michigan and I live in Michigan. I'm like we have no idea where they are?

Speaker 4: 1:14:47

Yeah, they're not. I don't think they're. She got mad at me. Yeah. I don't think they're.

Speaker 3: 1:14:55

She got mad at me. I don't even know where they are, oh my gosh. So I'm ready for boom one, if you guys are ready before you get to boom one.

Speaker 2: 1:15:06

We are the what is from cast.

Speaker 3: 1:15:09

I think at this point we're not even required in our seventh hour of non-stop radio commercial, free, whatever it seems like.

Speaker 2: 1:15:20

And we have our guest, andy. I'm sorry, andy, I'm just no. I don't want to call you whatever I want. I want to call you the right name, and you know. Yeah, so boom, number one.

Speaker 3: 1:15:40

I can't wait for it, I'm just pissed that I forgot about Fatima, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:15:45

Yeah, she was having a little light dinner.

Speaker 3: 1:15:48

Yeah, yeah, oh, my God. But you know what? I think that that is A pregnancy thing, because I think no, nobody eats rotten food. I know nobody eats rotten food, but there are weird cravings that women have.

Speaker 2: 1:16:07

Of all the cravings of all the world, rotten food is not One of them.

Speaker 3: 1:16:13

You never know. Oh wait a minute. I think it's a differ, because you know what? Lizzie Borden's father, Andrew Borden, would not pay top price for fresh food. They were always eating rotten meat.

Speaker 2: 1:16:28

I really don't care about Lizzie Borden.

Speaker 3: 1:16:30

I'm just saying.

Speaker 2: 1:16:33

I'm telling you right now that's some really messed up from stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:16:38

Well, she's, so, she's, she's can't eat, she says. The smell of food, uh makes her nauseous yeah and what doesn't is like the opposite of you know edible food, so right, it's a curse yeah you gotta smash other.

Speaker 2: 1:16:55

All I'm thinking of when you're talking about all this witch stuff, it first off we I went on vacation and we actually went to salem. That's awesome, yeah, and I, which was kind of neat. But the other thing is you're talking about the scarlet letter. I'm thinking of the, the book, or the, the story of the lottery.

Speaker 3: 1:17:12

Okay, oh my God, I hate that story.

Speaker 2: 1:17:15

I hate it too. I hate it. Do you know what the lottery is?

Speaker 4: 1:17:20

Andy, no, but I guess I should stay away, right, shirley Jackson.

Speaker 2: 1:17:23

It's a high school read, go read it.

Speaker 3: 1:17:26

It's written by Shirley Jackson.

Speaker 2: 1:17:29

So basically, the long and the short of it is every year they have a good crop season, I think it was. They put everybody's name in a hat and whoever gets pulled out they kill. Okay, I'm giving the short answer.

Speaker 3: 1:17:48

It's a short story. Yeah, you should read it. It gets referenced a lot.

Speaker 4: 1:17:54

Okay.

Speaker 3: 1:17:54

The lottery.

Speaker 4: 1:17:57

I will hate it with you all next time we bring it up.

Speaker 3: 1:18:00

Yeah, nobody's showing this. It's a reading list.

Speaker 2: 1:18:06

Wait, no, that's not what it is. Hold on, Fatima is eating rotten food. It's exactly something that would happen in Iran right now. Yeah, but, and I get that, but that's not what this was. This was some freaky, freaky shit. I'm sorry. There is no way in hell that this has anything to do with that. I'm this is me talking. I'm telling you this has to do with whatever's in her belly, and I don't know if it's real, if it's fake, if it's monster, if it's what, but that is just some freaky from. If they don't get that, baby and it's healthy.

Speaker 4: 1:18:41

It's going to be quite the jarring thing for everybody, oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 1:18:51

Let's go to boom one so we can get out of here sometime.

Speaker 3: 1:18:56

Okay, sometime tonight, everybody, oh, my god, let's go to boom one so we can get out of here sometime, okay, sometime tonight. So, um, it's kenny and boyd boyd coming upon kenny in the bar and he's filling up jugs of, you know, basically butane. Yes, you know, yeah, and um, he wants to make all of them pay and it just it was just breaking my heart looking at him being so angry. And they go to the tunnels and it. It's hard to tell if it's late in the day, because when it's snowing out there's so many clouds you can't yeah, you know tell and, um, I'm just worried.

Speaker 4: 1:19:37

You know that they're going in and it's like late in the day and these things are going to be getting up with and with not clear heads yeah, they're not clear heads and boyd was a very good dad in that scene he was and I wondered if it, because when he started talking to Ellis it actually made me feel and I was like is this a storyline you're going to see, where he's like being more of a better father figure to Kenny that he is to his own son who's having a baby more drama yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:20:11

I love this scene yeah, it was really you, because they're out there and they don't know how many are in there and Boyd makes this comment that Victor said there's a lot of them in there, right, and then that Jade didn't see any. And I'm wondering, you know it could have been the part of the tunnels that they were in. Sure, you know, because Tabitha certainly saw some and I can't remember how Jade ended up in the tunnel, but you know, looking up, and he just saw the kids, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:20:57

But Kenny just thinking about his mom in her last moments and yeah, he's not in a good place and he's not in a good, but he does.

Speaker 2: 1:21:01

He does make a good point. You know, we did, we did kill the the one guy. Maybe we can kill some, have we? Yeah?

Speaker 4: 1:21:07

exactly looked to see which ones were shot with the silver bullets and to see if they're still out, that we've seen them since, because that was the back of my mind. All the monsters, no, all the monsters. They are still like exactly, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:21:23

I mean, the saddest thing is just. You know, tian Chen's last words are like take care of him, he's all alone now, you know, and that was how boyd got kenny to leave yeah because otherwise he wouldn't have left, he would have gone in there and we would have lost at least kenny, if not boyd as well yeah, or you know it would have been like you're in our house now. Yeah, let's play with you some more, um so my last yeah, number two um, oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:22:02

So ethan wants to know if they're still gonna leave and live in the house, because you know it was tian chen's house. I mean, I don't think the house has really belonged to anybody since the occupants on the whole house, the whole house.

Speaker 2: 1:22:18

Thing that really pissed me off was when, uh, sarah went back into the house and that that crazy guy that shot boy and give her. I mean, like dude, like what do you like?

Speaker 4: 1:22:30

you've been here for two seconds, yeah, yeah, like but, it said you don't even know anybody it set the tone for you to really not like that guy, especially when he started, you know, grabbing guns and killing yeah I know, yeah yeah so um, I wanted, I wanted him to give her the shirt yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:22:49

Yeah, it was just dumb. It was like it was an unnecessary fight, right.

Speaker 3: 1:22:54

Yeah, yeah. So let's see.

Speaker 2: 1:23:01

Boom number two.

Speaker 3: 1:23:02

Yeah. So Ethan wants to know if they're still going to live there and Jim is like one step at a time and then Jim notices that Julie is veering off as they walk at a time. And then jim notices that julie is veering off as they walk. Julie, because this is before they get in the house. Julia is going to check on animals and jim says it's almost dark because ethan says he's going to go talk to um forget. Ethan says he's going to oh, going with her. Jim says he loves them as they're walking off, kind of like I don't know if I'll see you again, kind of.

Speaker 4: 1:23:39

I love you. I thought it was just him trying to be dad. Hey, I'm your dad. I'm here Trying to score points, in a sense Not score points, because I think he does love them, but you're not Trying to say I'm right here.

Speaker 2: 1:23:54

Yeah, he's the real father of the year.

Speaker 3: 1:23:56

Yeah Well, I don't know. It's interesting because last season they didn't give Jim a lot to do and so far this season he seems pretty busy. So the big thing is that, you know, he walks in the house and he goes into the kitchen and he's at the sink and the phone starts ringing. Which is always and he answers the phone and it's like dad, it's Thomas. Yeah. Thomas couldn't speak.

Speaker 2: 1:24:26

That was freaky.

Speaker 3: 1:24:27

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:24:27

It wasn't Like Thomas was an infant. I didn't know what to expect. But then when that happened, it didn't surprise me. I was just like, okay, it's just psychological. But I wonder if that's why they're unraveling him and making him think he's crazy, which will make him be less effective of a father, and just keep that string pulling.

Speaker 2: 1:24:49

But this is where he needs to talk to Boyd, so that. Boyd can tell him that these guys like to play with you because they tried to use my wife's image to mess with me. So I mean, I just think that this is one of the down parts of the show. Which makes it so good is if they would just talk.

Speaker 4: 1:25:15

Yeah, they need to get community powwows, like once at the night. What happened once?

Speaker 3: 1:25:21

an hour, once an hour, yeah, so I need a note in here somewhere about people talking and I can't now I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:25:29

I know they do talk, it's just. It's just, we want to see them in like a whole neighborhood meeting talking about it.

Speaker 3: 1:25:36

Right, you know. But the thing about Jim, about them doing that to Jim, he's separated from Tabitha, so his touchstone is not there. His touchstone is not there, but on top of it, he's the most methodical thinker in that town.

Speaker 4: 1:25:57

He's an engineer, yeah he does usually have a train of thought when it comes to yeah, well, I guess the conspiracy part of season two he was. He was a little astray, but yeah he'd right in the situation, though he was the one that was level-headed in that when it got out of hand.

Speaker 3: 1:26:15

Yeah, exactly. So for him to pick up the phone and hear that, like we all know that Thomas was an infant couldn't speak like that. But will Jim like what will Jim? What will be his response? Like what's going to happen to Jim?

Speaker 4: 1:26:37

Like I don't know, but at least it's like clear, clear that he he shouldn't believe that if it was Tabitha, I think that would open up a bigger bucket of worms because he's believing the Tabitha is talking to him and Tabitha we know. Tabitha is not doing that. She's in a basement looking to pay Right, exactly. That can be very problematic.

Speaker 3: 1:27:02

But it would have been just as good of a cliffhanger if it was Tabitha saying I'm over here, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:27:11

Come to the woods and get me.

Speaker 3: 1:27:12

How can there?

Speaker 4: 1:27:13

be a phone line.

Speaker 3: 1:27:18

Yeah, I'm at the pay phone at the lighthouse. Yeah, yeah, come get me come pick me up.

Speaker 2: 1:27:21

All right, guys. I think we did some damage to this episode. I know we probably missed some things that and I gotta tell you know it's amazing to see some of this stuff in the chat. I mean, they're going nuts, I know. I just want to thank everybody for being there. But you know that, all being said, before we get out of here, I just wanted to talk about a couple of things. Yes, when is it? Where is the little? Of course it's not going to open, because that would be too easy.

Speaker 3: 1:28:03

God forbid.

Speaker 2: 1:28:05

We have our season one tribute poster, which we are coming close to selling out. I meant to buy that on Saturday.

Speaker 4: 1:28:16

I'm going to buy it right when I get off this. Well, thank you so much, Because now we can, of course, no, I genuinely I was like it's very cool and I like, yeah, we're working on season two and then hopefully we'll have a season three and you guys can do a whole deal with that as well? Are you going to sneak Frank in there somehow?

Speaker 3: 1:28:37

Maybe he's in there, isn't he?

Speaker 4: 1:28:38

He's in the box. He's in the box. He's in the box, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:28:44

He's in the box. He's definitely in the box, and also folks. Next week we are going to be talking season three, episode three. This one Called the Mousetrap, so we will probably be talking about what happened with Boyd and Kenny.

Speaker 2: 1:29:09

I wonder you know what kind of craziness that they're going to end up having. And in the meantime, you know, keep the conversation going on all the sites. I know podcast is doing a bunch of different shows. I know a bunch of shows are coming back on. I know Daryl Dixon started today. I know a bunch of shows are coming back on. I know Daryl Dixon started today and I know our friends over at Adrenaline are finishing up Snowpiercer, as well as our friends over at Run For your Lives are doing Twisters. I think this week Run for your Lives are doing Twisters, I think this week. So if you've seen Twister and you want to see Twisters, it's a great. They do a lot of scary stuff. They do more scary stuff than Twisters-type stuff, but they do all that. So, andy, just tell us a little bit about your content creation and all the other good stuff that you're doing.

Speaker 4: 1:30:19

Yeah, I didn't mean to have a career in just creating videos, but uh, it's been awesome. I started out making videos. I launched a skateboard company from it, Um, so I do a lot of like skateboarding content. I do a lot of like just whatever's happening in my life with my friends and family that I think is entertaining. Uh, I've been doing it for a long time now and I actually got into acting a little bit. That's what I want. I want to tone back on the creating aspect and do more of that and like just creating. For you know, on other projects that are, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:30:42

When, when you're rich and famous like you are and you want to come back and you're in from hopefully we'll be able to get an interview.

Speaker 3: 1:30:52

And away, away you go. I just thought we weren't at the funeral you should have been we should have been at the funeral we should have gone.

Speaker 2: 1:30:59

I'm just.

Speaker 4: 1:31:00

I'm just happy, just to you guys got an awesome, awesome thing here.

Speaker 2: 1:31:05

It's why well, we're still trying to figure out what we're doing. We're still um, we're still trying. I know somebody asked this and I asked them too.

Speaker 4: 1:31:14

Um, you know, we need a from, we need a front deck I don't know how to I'll I'll send them a dm and say hey, let's make a skateboard.

Speaker 2: 1:31:22

We'll see what happens yeah, you might, you might, you might know one or two people, um, but yeah, no, I think that's awesome, I think that would be very cool.

Speaker 4: 1:31:30

Honestly, yeah, they I want from shirts and hoodies and they should. They should make more merch in general you know what?

Speaker 2: 1:31:36

that's a whole nother issue. But going back to that, that's why we make yeah, I made my own, you know, we don't. We don't mess around. I mean, that's one of the things you know. When I saw you, you had your red from shirt on and, um, you know it's. I think it's really cool that people are really starting to embrace this show and it's taking up three seasons.

Speaker 4: 1:31:59

I mean, we've seen it snowball, but I think it's going to get really like really crazy after this season. I think we're, I think a lot of people are jumping on, as they should. You know, I've been alone.

Speaker 3: 1:32:14

Everybody, tell everybody I know it was. You know, like al, like I was glad alex said yes, you know one of the happiest days of my life, alex oh, please but I was alone for like so long. Yeah. You know, like I had no one to talk to about it and I remember like laying, you know, I'd watch it in bed sometimes. You know that first season because I was waiting for Sunday to come. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:32:47

You know, and I would lay there and my face is smushed like this and I'm watching with one eye and I'm just like I can't be the only one that no one's talking.

Speaker 4: 1:32:57

I was terrified. That's why and I have an online following, so I just started talking about it and you know that's like I almost feel annoying to my followers because they're not there for a sci-fi horror show and I just talk, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:33:13

Stupid, stupid. Yeah, stupid tricks and stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:33:16

Which is fun too. But I got scared. I was like this has to have another season, I have to tell everybody and then get them to tell everybody. So that was my, that's what was my plan.

Speaker 2: 1:33:28

I think that's great. I think that's great that there's so many different people that are watching it and they're making it hard. I'm not going to lie Putting it on MGM Plus. They're making it hard but they're trying to build up MGM Plus. That's kind of their goal. I really think that it's great that they're putting money into it this year. Yeah, I mean the monsters, everything.

Speaker 4: 1:33:56

Yeah. And the fact they do it on Prime Video for free on the other seasons leading up to it. I think that goes a long way for the show and MGM Plus. I think it's a really good situation.

Speaker 2: 1:34:07

And the main thing is we're lucky enough to get to, to get screeners, and get the opportunity, the opportunity to interview the, the cast and and and crew and all sorts of good stuff, and they're all, they're all. Amazing anyone? I mean, they just they just seem to be amazing and, um, they really have called it the little show that could and they've just kind of just kept going. The only thing, and again, the only criticism I have is and I know it, just I wish there was like two more episodes.

Speaker 4: 1:34:48

Yeah, I feel that, so they can have a few shows in the future these days, I know they all do 10 because they can and whatever else.

Speaker 2: 1:34:55

If they just did one or two more episodes it would just make life so much easier for us. Because not? Not, not that it's easier. They could make that extra storyline. You know that we talked about and it's.

Speaker 4: 1:35:13

The world is so large that we talked about and um, it's. The world is so large, like what the. I know it's technically small but it's such. There's so much stuff and it's very dense, like where they could go with it and stories they could like elaborate on yeah, and I think we would all watch a hundred episodes a season, if they made them.

Speaker 3: 1:35:32

Oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 1:35:33

So, what we got out of this from you is you want to skateboard the pool at prom and you're you're trying to get on the set of prom, so that's basically what I would definitely say that we want.

Speaker 3: 1:35:48

Yeah, we want all those things.

Speaker 2: 1:35:50

My my, you know, my takeaway from this whole experience is, when we interviewed Harold, he said he wants to hang out with us. Yeah, he didn't exactly say what he said was we need to spend some time together on the podcast, but I'm saying that Harold wants to hang out with me and I'm just going with that because you know we got to get him on the show. You know he said it, we got to get him on the show, as well, as there's others. We still haven't been able to get David Alpen. You know, jade, he just doesn't do interviews, he just he only does the big stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:36:29

Yeah, I went to his Instagram and he hadn't like uploaded since January or something which I can relate to. I'm actually terrible using social media. Despite that, I have like a career on it.

Speaker 2: 1:36:40

Isn't that great, you know? Yeah, no, speaking of that, I do want to. I do want to tell people thank you so much because we just broke the 600 subscriber mark. You so much because we just broke the 600 um subscriber mark and hopefully, by the end of this, this uh, this episode, you know, after the next week we'll be up to, hopefully, 650, maybe 700 um. The goal, the goal, as you well know, is to get to that thousand, that thousand uh, uh mark, with all the views. You know we're, we're trying to get the views and I'm trying to do more shorts and all that other kind of stuff. Shorts are key.

Speaker 4: 1:37:17

Shorts are key these days for subscribers. It's a weird world.

Speaker 2: 1:37:22

It's weird, it's a weird thing.

Speaker 4: 1:37:25

On to the next.

Speaker 2: 1:37:26

Yeah, yeah, that's our story and we're sticking to it. I want to thank you once again, andy. Well, definitely, you have an open invitation whenever you want, and also I'll show you the controls so that you guys can just go on your deep dive, you and Lizzie, and I'll just-. Oh, can I make a request?

Speaker 4: 1:37:46

Absolutely you need to do an award of looking back who got the theories most right and who got the theories most wrong, because that would be funny. But it's so fascinating and so many wild ideas. There has to be like a let's wrap up and see who was on top of guessing what was happening.

Speaker 2: 1:38:07

I will say this Lizzie, in her other podcast, when she was doing the walking dead, used to do a um, what was it? You know who was gonna die?

Speaker 3: 1:38:18

oh, that's fine oh oh what was it called um? It was a game. Who dies?

Speaker 2: 1:38:26

it was a game. It was like there was hundreds of people that did this. There was a game and we kept scored.

Speaker 3: 1:38:33

It was like you know who killed, you know how many zombies you killed, you got injured, you lost points. You know lost points if you died. And so people would win and we just I would get prizes. You know like it started out, where my partner and I we would just go and buy the prizes and then we would get prizes. You know like it started out where my partner and I we would just go and buy the prizes and then we would get prizes. And then the last season because it was our last season and it was three season, three like sections we had four total winner, no, four, five or six, I don't know. We gave away so much, probably over $1,000 in merchandise and it was all Walking Dead related. That's awesome. One guy it cost me $50 to mail his stuff $50.

Speaker 4: 1:39:29

Yeah, it's not cheap these days.

Speaker 3: 1:39:32

No, and that was when the show ended. He had two boxes. He had won like a I don't know a couple of different categories because, like, even the lowest, like the person with the lowest score, would win, and it wasn't just like one or two things, it was like tons of stuff. Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:39:54

So I just put it on the screen. I saw that, yeah, somebody's looking for a From deck. Well, I'm going to tell you right now when you're ready to make a From deck let us know we will definitely want to raffle it off. I thought you were talking about a tarot deck, because someone mentioned a tarot deck you need to make skateboard decks, and if I could, I'd even buy one for my own, just to kind of put it up, because I'm a skateboarder.

Speaker 4: 1:40:23

They're fun to hang on the wall. But I did want to say I saw the message, frank, thank you, you're the man that would be cool.

Speaker 2: 1:40:32

Frank also is a subscriber to your channel?

Speaker 4: 1:40:35

Yeah, I know, I know him actually. Oh yeah, he's a, he's a very good dude. So are you a gamer as well? I like, I mean I like video games. I I do have a video game channel that I do with my friend, but it's like just a side thing. What, what, what, what, what games do you play? We play whatever the internet wants to say. See, but when I I stay pretty busy. But when I do play for myself, it's usually like I grew up on final fantasy, um, like legend of zelda type stuff, um, well, we have.

Speaker 2: 1:41:06

We have a little group in our zed head group. We play dead by daylight almost every night okay, well.

Speaker 2: 1:41:13

Well, andy, we got to get you on because we're crazy, yeah, and we would love to have you as one of our guests. Yeah, let's do it. We'll definitely message you afterwards, but again, I want to thank you so much. You know I forget if I reached out to you or you reached out to me, but I'm just really glad that we could make this work and, like you said, whenever you're ready to come on back, you always have an open invitation. That means the world.

Speaker 2: 1:41:43

And if you ever want to nudge me and say, be here this Sunday, just say the word. Well, and you know something you were really cool about that. I mean, you know, I asked him and he's like yeah, let me just talk to my wife. Oh yeah, we'll do it.

Speaker 4: 1:41:56

We'll do it. Especially at this time of night I can get this going.

Speaker 2: 1:42:00

You're on the west coast.

Speaker 4: 1:42:01

You're in Ohio, so Midwest.

Speaker 2: 1:42:03

Oh okay, let's get home. Get you home, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on.