61 FROM MGM+ : Season 3 Episode 4 "There And Back Again" MGM+ Live Show Reaction w/ guest Chris from Song Swap showdown

What happens when a music podcaster meets a thrilling TV series? Join us as we welcome Chris from the Song Swap Showdown, who brings his unique perspective to our spirited discussion on season three, episode four of "From." Chris shares how he stumbled upon the show, turning it into a captivating shared experience with his wife, and offers insights into the eerie world of family dynamics, unsettling phone calls, and mysterious encounters that keep everyone guessing. You'll hear our initial reactions to the latest episode and why it has us all eagerly anticipating what's next.

As we dive deeper, explore the complexities of character interactions and chilling mysteries that lay at the heart of this gripping narrative. From a mysterious phone call Ethan receives to the haunting presence of a ventriloquist dummy named Jasper, we unravel the tangled web of past traumas and supernatural occurrences. The tension between Boyd and Randall, Elgin's enigmatic experiences, and the arrival of new characters add layers to the unfolding drama, sparking debates and theories about the malevolent forces at play in the town.

We also shine a light on the intense moments that punctuate the episode, like the suspenseful nighttime ambulance arrival, monstrous encounters, and the community's struggle to maintain unity amidst chaos. Our conversation touches on the emotional turmoil faced by the characters, the impact of PTSD, and the show's ability to keep viewers on the edge of their seats. As we wrap up, be prepared for a humorous and engaging conclusion that leaves you ready for more revelations in upcoming episodes.

Chapters

• 0:27 Crazy Show Talk With Chris
• 8:28 Family Dynamics and Mysterious Encounters
• 20:47 Memories Unearthed in the Basement
• 26:54 Cryptic Identity Crisis and Rising Tensions
• 40:10 Unraveling Jasper's Mysterious Disappearance
• 47:17 Monstrous Encounters and PTSD Trauma
• 1:02:17 Unraveling the Elgin Mystery
• 1:09:07 Nighttime Ambulance Arrival and Monster Encounter
• 1:23:20 Revealing Mysteries and New Characters
• 1:35:19 Podcast Season Two Preparations

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:27

Welcome to the show. My name is Alex.

Speaker 3: 0:30

And I'm Lizzie.

Speaker 2: 0:33

And we have our special special guest, chris from Social Pop Showdown.

Speaker 4: 0:41

What's going?

Speaker 2: 0:42

on.

Speaker 4: 0:45

What's up?

Speaker 2: 0:45

everybody. So, Chris, since you are our guest, welcome to our craziness, our from-aly, so to speak.

Speaker 2: 0:54

Yes, I'm happy to be here, First, why don't you tell everybody before we get started, let's just do a couple of housekeeping things. This is the what Is From cast and we are going to be talking season three, episode four, there and back again. And, as we told everybody, sunday is From Day. If you could hit that subscribe button right on the bottom, right or left depending on what you're doing and before we get into all the other particulars, why don't you tell us a little bit about what your project is, which is Song Swope Showdown, as well as what's on that hat? Yeah, go for it. Tell us everything.

Speaker 4: 1:37

Absolutely Well. Thanks for having me on today, guys. This is great. I stayed up a little because usually I watch from and then I go to bed because, well, I try to watch you guys. Actually, last week I had it on and I wound up. Unfortunately I didn't make it through the whole thing, because this is what happens. But tonight I got my hot tea going in my Twin Peaks mug and I am rocking and rolling and ready to go.

Speaker 4: 1:58

But yeah, I am the co-host of Song Swap Showdown and we are a music we like to say. We're a weekly music throwdown show. Me and my co-host, amanda Sharp, each swap three songs with each other that we may or may not have heard before and we rate those songs on a scale one to five records, with one being a skip of a song. That's skip it. We don't ever want to hear it again. All the way up to five records, which is what we say is heavenly music to our ears. That's going on our playlist and we pick the songs based on spinning a wheel of themes at the end of every single episode. So whatever that lands on determines what we're going to be picking the songs about.

Speaker 4: 2:32

The show is live every Monday at 815 AM on YouTube, facebook and then anywhere. You get podcasts afterwards and we also stream live as well on radio garden state, which is what's on top of my head. So, on top of being the host and producer of Song Swap Showdown co-host of Song Swap Showdown I also host a weekly morning show on Radio Garden State, which can be heard on radiogardenstatecom Tuesday through Friday, 7 am to 9 am, where it's me hosting the morning show spinning tunes. I also do a hardcore show on Thursday nights from 9 to 10 pm as well, so I am fairly active when it comes to podcasting and being on the air pretty much every day. Thank God, I get weekends off a little bit, although I'm not off this weekend. So hey, here I am.

Speaker 2: 3:18

Well, that's awesome. And I have to just acknowledge one person. My daughter is into lacrosse and she's doing a lacrosse camp or clinic this week or Sunday. Yeah, and I'm talking to this one parent and the parent's like I think my husband likes the show and I finally get to talk to him and son of a gun, he's here, he's on. So I'm actually seeing some of our listeners and I'm like just say, you're the lacrosse, I know you from lacrosse so well. Thank you so much. And again, um, let's get into this craziness. Wow, all from and and. Chris, how did you find the show first?

Speaker 4: 4:08

off. You know it's. It's one of those things where I saw it come up on um because at the time, like prime wasn't even doing the mgm, I don't know. Somehow I was watching mgm plus and I was watching something else already on mgm plus and it came up as a recommendation. So I was like, well, let me, let me watch the trailer. So you know, I watched a little trailer and I said, let me give this a try.

Speaker 4: 4:29

So I watched the first episode by myself and I said, holy cow, this, this show's crazy and that episode is not easy. No, I was like, what is this? So I was like you don't want, because my wife and I we watch a lot of shows together and I was like this, this is something I feel like she's going to want to watch with me. So we totally I said, well, let me, let me watch this. So I rewatched it with her and I got her hooked.

Speaker 4: 4:52

And then so we both watched season one and then season two all the way through, cause it was already on there. So we just went back to back seasons and then we were like, oh my God, how long is it going to be until season three comes out? And cause we had finished all that, I believe. I think what was it? Season one and season two. I think that was at the start of this year, where we kind of cruise through everything, I believe, and then it was like, oh man, I can't wait, when are you going to do season three? So we kept waiting to see what they were going to do to release date.

Speaker 2: 5:27

All I know is it's nice to actually podcast with somebody that I've actually met. Not that I don't love Lizzie, who's right next to me, but it's just kind of weird. It's just kind of weird to actually know the person that I've actually met, like I knew you before this. Yeah, that being said, I know Lizzie's-.

Speaker 3: 5:41

Oh my God, I'm going to go grab Charlotte off the couch so I can say the same thing.

Speaker 2: 5:47

So, before I get myself in trouble, let me ask Lizzie what were your first thoughts of this episode.

Speaker 3: 6:02

I have to say that after the previous episode, I could not wait to see what happened and it exceeded every possible expectation I could have had. It was just amazing, amazing. I loved the tension, the fear. I'm really not that I wasn't before, but I am really getting concerned, very, very concerned. And what about? You, Chris we're not doing so good.

Speaker 2: 6:31

Yeah, no, our people are not doing so well. Chris, what was your first thoughts of this episode?

Speaker 4: 6:36

Yeah, first thoughts on this was it was definitely nice because I love how so far they've paced it. Last episode was very much up until the end when we had the big shock of the car accident and then obviously the cliffhanger ending of being like, oh my God, we're back to from town. But I like that. This really ratcheted up the tension. This turned it up. There was a lot going on. They cut between all the different storylines really well and I loved it. Like Lizzie was saying storylines really well and I just I loved it. Like Lizzie was saying the tension was great and I love that and so it was a great day. So far, I got to say the pacing of this season is very good. Like I love the balance that they're doing with this show, at least this season.

Speaker 2: 7:19

Yeah, you know, the one thing about this season that's really just messed up is these monsters are playing with their food, oh my gosh, yeah. And they are just doing so much psychological crap. I mean, we're going to talk about it. You know, it starts off right off the bat and it ends with the same problems. That and it ends with the same problems. And I'm gonna tell you they said, because when we talked to harold and we talked to, we talked to uh, uh, liz saunders, you know they were not happy. I mean, they were happy about the work, but it was like this is not fun, like there was no fun in Frumville and it's just gone from bad to worse, to whatever this is. So, lizzie, why don't you start us off and tell us where you want to go?

Speaker 3: 8:14

All right, I'm going to work our way up to the arrival. Okay, so we're going to start with the colony house. Okay, so we're going to start with the colony house. And Bacta is not playing very well with others. I don't think she's a good roommate. She refuses to pick up the dead bird, like not pitching in.

Speaker 2: 8:39

You know she wants nothing to do with it Huh.

Speaker 3: 8:44

Do you blame her Still like?

Speaker 4: 8:56

she's not pitching in, but then she shames Tilly for reading tarot cards in a place like this. Like Again, I don't really.

Speaker 2: 9:06

I have all my thoughts about Tilly, by the the way, so I've got a lot of thoughts, like you know um you don't go poking the bear.

Speaker 3: 9:11

I don't know yeah I don't look at, I don't look at reading tarot cards as poking the bear, obviously.

Speaker 2: 9:17

Well, yeah because you read them. But but you know, folks, I mean, I I feel the same. She was a little standoffish, but at the same time, you have to remember, this was not like days, this had just happened, maybe hours ago. And you're like the bathroom girl's getting all pissed off, so we really don't give a shit about her. And you know, the boy's got the frigging bird right on his, on his shirt, yeah, and it's dead right in front of him.

Speaker 4: 9:48

So you know well, the one thing I thought was that.

Speaker 4: 9:53

Sorry, go ahead, chris. Oh, I was just gonna say real quick, I mean, I think that she was. She seems like somebody who's like really, um, obviously, as as uh, as alex was saying, you know. So it just happened. I think she's really freaked out and it may be that she's maybe a little superstitious or believes, you know, these kinds of things like the omens and things like that may really freak her out and she's completely like way off, you know, and it's like, let alone, dealing with monsters. And now you know we're doing tarot card readings, which seems to be like stirring the hornet's nest, and I think that it's just, you know, rocking the boat.

Speaker 2: 10:27

Well, you know what it could be? Oh, no, just one thing, and I know Crystal appreciates this it could be the man versus bear. It's just an inside joke between us, but you were going to say Lizzie, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 10:41

Well, you know, we saw right off when Bacta lands in front and she's facing off with Donna, and it kind of surprised me that Bacta went to Colony House. Given that Donna is in control of Colony House and they're both very strong personalities, that I'm really surprised. We haven't seen them facing off. You know since the end of four days or so that they've been there. So that's just all I have to say about Bacta. And then moving over to the Matthews house, okay, and everything that's going on there, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:22

If you have any ringing sounds like a telephone ring there, chris, now's the time to play it.

Speaker 4: 11:28

I have four sounds.

Speaker 3: 11:32

And telephone rings.

Speaker 3: 11:33

Yeah. So at any rate, we're over there and the phone rings and Ethan is in the kitchen by himself and he answers the phone and it turns out it's Thomas. I really am impressed. Oh, please don't make me big, I don't even want to look at myself. I'm going to. I'm going to just turn my camera off today. So he answers the phone and Thomas is on the other end of the phone, and what Thomas says makes me wonder about the motivation, because I got to think that Thomas is not there to be helpful. Yeah, yeah, that Thomas is not there to be helpful.

Speaker 3: 12:25

You think, yeah, well, that's what he's thinking, that he's not calling to be helpful, but he tells them that Tabitha is going to be coming into town on an ambulance, which, you know. It's like if someone told me Santa Claus was going to land on my street tonight.

Speaker 3: 12:42

You know, it's just like mom is gone, they think she's dead and all of a sudden, you know he's saying this. So my question was did Jim hear the phone ring? Because I'm thinking he didn't. It just happened to walk in there, because I don't think anyone heard the phone ring when Jimmy answered it. But still, you know, thomas says to him, you know Jim grabs the phone and tells Thomas to leave his children alone and Thomas says they're not your children anymore. I know what's that about.

Speaker 4: 13:21

Yeah, yeah, I feel like the voice or the entity. Whatever is this in this particular instance, between the call from last week with with jim, and this seems to be very trickster ish like it seems to be trying to get them out of the house and into the woods or I don't know.

Speaker 4: 13:38

There just seems to be out in the street. Yeah, exactly this whole trickster thing and like thing and that's what it feels like. And yeah, I don't think that Jim heard the phone ring. In this instance I think it was meant for Ethan. And then what happened last week? It was meant for him.

Speaker 2: 13:58

This just popped into my head, and I don't know what the people that are watching think about this. If you take that into account, the house is safe because of the embellishments, and if they're together, they're a family, yeah Right. As soon as they pull them apart, then we've got problems. And I think you know the good thing about this season, I think more than any other season, they're starting to talk to each other a lot more, and I think that's closing, maybe that's.

Speaker 3: 14:34

they've heard you complaining about it.

Speaker 2: 14:37

Well, you know what? I'm a little sick of it and you know, I think, also the one thing and we're going to talk about the end of the episode Mariel, julie and Randall, they have a connection to whatever that entity is. But I think it was John who said this. I got it, it's a great thing, and I posted it. You know it's evil. Whatever Ethan was talking to is just evil. And you know it's like child's play or something. I mean it's not very nice and it's just pissing me off.

Speaker 3: 15:20

Yeah, I don't like it either, and you know I find I was. It made sense when Jim didn't fall prey to it. You know he was on the phone. Right. Jim, is this practical engineers? You know level headed thinker, but I expected Ethan to get upset and he didn't, so maybe he's taking after dad but it's fucked up in this place.

Speaker 2: 15:48

What else can go wrong?

Speaker 3: 15:49

Yeah, I know, you know, but I, you know again, just like the electrical wires, the phone is not attached to anything. It was just hanging on the wall like that cat clock. You know, Um, and I think all, and I think you guys already said it, they just wanted to get them out in the street. You know, like, get them out in the street, be in danger, because if they saw a vehicle coming into town at night, there might be one person that would go out, but not two kids and a dad, you know.

Speaker 3: 16:30

But if they know mom is in there, they're going to go out right so, um, after the arrival, julie's looking out the window, you know, trying to see what's going on, and the main thing that comes out of that is that she confides in Ethan, that she says she's really scared and she saw something. She saw things that she doesn't understand and that she can't remember. So in this episode we've got the three talking about that experience and we're starting to get images of what's going on, because later in the bus, randall talks about it as well.

Speaker 2: 17:23

So if you guys are ready, can switch over to victor and sarah well, my question for for chris and the audience, and you too, lizzie, do you think that they're on their way to becoming monsters I just made a video about that you did did.

Speaker 4: 17:44

Yeah, I made notes. Today it was last week I started saying that to my wife. I said I think that you know they're they're turning some of these people into monsters. And I wrote today about well, I don't want to jump too far ahead.

Speaker 2: 17:57

I know, yeah, when we talk about Randall, yeah.

Speaker 4: 17:59

Right when randall, and also because there was a lot of foreshadowing in this, especially in those stuff in the bus and all that so we could talk more about it when we get there.

Speaker 2: 18:09

Yeah, no, no, and what's, what's? Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4: 18:11

I'm sorry because I didn't oh no, I was just gonna say so. I I think that that is something that is is going on, and it's interesting to see who is going to be, I mean, and is, and are we looking? Is randall red her? So I mean, there's this kind of stuff too, so I'm sure we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2: 18:26

I will say this, going back to the trailers, and I know you're a big Star Wars guy, chris, and so am I, and everybody loves a good trailer, right. But we know, when we go into a trailer and we talked about this when we broke down the trailer, the From trailer they put all these scenes in but they're never in the right order and they're never the way they should, but it's nice to see the scenes in context and one of the classic scenes we're going to see from I think it's probably one of the best lines. Think it's probably one of the best lines. You know, in my first thoughts not that you know I think the best, the best episode ever of from was season one, episode eight, when they invaded colony house. I think that was hands down. Then maybe the, maybe the, uh, the, the first episode I gotta tell you. This particular episode is is creeping up to number three for me. Um, that said, I know you wanted to get to daytime stories. Uh, yeah, let's get to daytime stories okay.

Speaker 3: 19:35

So um victor wants to uh share something with sarah. I'm not exactly sure why he chose Sarah to share all of this with.

Speaker 2: 19:48

He said why he did, because she's the scariest person in From.

Speaker 3: 19:53

Oh, duh, yeah.

Speaker 4: 19:59

It's the most ironic thing, because she's like I also feel like, too, that she reminds him of his sister. I think there's that, there's something that he's becomes very and I think there's a connection that somehow that because we haven't seen that much, only some little flashbacks, I mean it's about I feel like he's got where she's like his sister.

Speaker 3: 20:21

You know like there's that, there's that feeling I don't know, man, I mean he puts a dig into her like right away, because he's like, oh, me and my sister used to play in this house during the day. Um, my sister, my mother died, um, but I didn't murder them I just want to be, I just want to be clear.

Speaker 4: 20:41

I did not murder.

Speaker 3: 20:42

I did not murder them. I did not murder them, unlike you. So he's trying to remember, like he's trying to go back to the last time that the town had a massacre, and he's trying to remember how everybody died, and so he's dug up this suitcase. When he showed up at the door, I thought he was moving in with her. I thought he wanted out of the Lou's house and wanted to live with her in that house.

Speaker 3: 21:13

And I just thought that that was odd. But when we get a better look at the suitcase you can see the dry dirt on it.

Speaker 2: 21:21

So it had been buried, you're looking for it. I'll get to it. So it had been buried. You're looking for it.

Speaker 3: 21:26

I'll get to it, okay. So what he's saying is that he's seeing some of the same patterns that he saw before and he's getting concerned and he, he wants to try and stop everyone from dying this time. So he had a practice run. Now he's in it for real, even though it seemed like Ethan was being chosen for the part that he played when he was a kid. So I thought this was kind of an odd thing for him to say. He's like they have to build a fort in the basement, which you know. I'm watching the episode again and I just thought maybe I will podcast from a fort tonight, but I didn't but remember how much fun that was when you used to make forts. Oh yeah, I'm like why do?

Speaker 3: 22:20

we grow out of that. I have all the stuff, all the stuff, I can make a fort all the time, and I just don't do it. You know, I don't think I'm living right. So anyway, he says that the basement is for daytime stories, but the bedrooms are for secrets, and that creeped me out. Like what exactly does that?

Speaker 2: 22:45

mean, really I don't understand why okay, I'm just like.

Speaker 3: 22:53

I hope so, because I've got in capital letters. What is he saying? What is he not saying? So I, um, I was wondering if the boy in white told him he was going away again and that he would be back for the next cycle, like when Victor was still a boy, and the boy in white left for a long time and didn't come back until now. And I wonder you know how long exactly he was gone. You know, because victor talks about him being there while he was alone. But then he was gone and he was alone, you know.

Speaker 3: 23:39

So I thought you know, like why would they build a fort? Or why would he build a fort? And I was like because a fort is for protection. So you fortify yourself and you're going through all this stuff and he again now I have it written down he needs her because she's the scariest person in town and you know it won't scare her any of the stuff that he's going to pull out and she is basically acting as his emotional fort so he can, she can protect him. So he's going through the suitcase and I don't know if you guys looked into it, but um, oh, I have something that you want to.

Speaker 2: 24:29

Yeah, just just give me me one, just keep going okay.

Speaker 3: 24:32

So there were two pairs of sunglasses hanging there. It looked like there was a thermos, a cigarette box, which we saw. Um, let's see a deck of cards, a purse, cigarettes, the, a kid's xylophone.

Speaker 3: 24:51

I don't remember seeing any kids on the street dead, but regular sunglasses and sunglasses and then a whole bunch of stuff that I don't really know what it was. So he starts taking things out, and the first thing he pulls out was Mr Gerber's watch. Um, I wrote water instead of watch. No wonder that doesn't make sense. But Mr Gerber would eat all the onions out.

Speaker 3: 25:22

You know growing in the in the woods and I'm just like he must have been a joy to be around, you know. And then he pulls out Dolores's cigarette box and there's still some and the cigarettes look pretty fresh. I don't know what happens to cigarettes over time, but there were pearl earrings and that's when Victor kind of felt like it went too far. At that moment we do get a flashback with christopher and he's sitting there, let's see, because sarah asked who christopher was and victor says he was our friend and he used to make us laugh.

Speaker 2: 26:06

A lot um, and then what until he went batshit crazy about the symbol.

Speaker 3: 26:14

Yeah, much like Jade is doing right now, you know. So this is when Victor abruptly stops and we get this flashback, this flashback, and Christopher is sitting in one chair and the dummy is sitting in the other chair Jasper and Jasper is speaking on his own and having a conversation with Christopher. Basically my worst nightmare ever. You think that is?

Speaker 2: 26:49

the worst nightmare ever. You think that?

Speaker 4: 26:51

is the worst nightmare. I saw that. The creepiest thing this entire episode was that for me, Was that yeah.

Speaker 3: 27:00

They could have done an hour of that, I'd be sitting here like blah blah blah yeah. I did not like that at all. And then they're fighting Like Jasper is, they're yelling at each other and I'm like wow, they're having a big debate, yeah.

Speaker 3: 27:21

Trump Kamala, trump Kamala Like you know, never talk about that with your friends, right? So, um, what I kind of don't understand, like if they were flashbacking to that one was victor watching, I'm thinking he was, but if he saw what happened he probably knew what jasper was saying. So maybe Christopher sounded like the crazy one and Jasper sounded normal, even though you're thinking Chris is voicing him right. I mean, ventriloquist dummies have never been my favorite thing ever.

Speaker 2: 28:06

I don't think anybody thinks the dummies are actually fun. They always think that they're like bad because they are.

Speaker 3: 28:18

But what about the people that actually use them?

Speaker 2: 28:21

You know what they are? They're batshit crazy.

Speaker 4: 28:24

They use it to work out their inner monologue, their inner thoughts.

Speaker 2: 28:29

Well, it's not me.

Speaker 4: 28:30

It's the puppet, it's the dummy.

Speaker 2: 28:31

I can, can't, I just can't. It's a split personality.

Speaker 4: 28:35

It's all the stuff that they can't tell anybody else. But it's okay if the dummy says it.

Speaker 3: 28:38

Yeah, here we go yeah, oh my god, yeah yeah, fletcher says I'm freaking out.

Speaker 2: 28:44

When jasper was speaking with Christopher, that connected immediately to me. It's Thomas in in my head, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 28:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:54

I mean, who knows, maybe?

Speaker 3: 28:56

that's what it was Like they were voicing.

Speaker 4: 28:59

Yeah Well, this entity the entity seems to be able to be people who passed away, you know, take on different forms, you know, speak to people and imitate voices.

Speaker 2: 29:11

I mean it's can pretty much do anything to, um, like emotionally, really screw around with everybody and get them broken and to break them, so then that way it's easier to pick them off so, so, just just to keep everybody on task, we're talking season three episode there and back again with Lizzie and Chris, and we're talking about Thomas the dummy, slash Jasper the dummy, and I think we're the dummies at this point because we don't know what the rest of us are.

Speaker 3: 29:40

I'm feeling like a dummy. I am feeling like a dummy, the one note I wrote down during that moment.

Speaker 4: 29:47

By the way, I do want to point out something too, just from an acting standpoint. I thought Scott McCord's acting in this scene was outstanding.

Speaker 3: 29:55

He's always outstanding.

Speaker 4: 29:57

I know, but there was this scene in particular I felt was just really I don't know. I just I really felt like I wrote it down. I go so far out of this season like this part was really pulled out. I think his acting chops really highlighted how good of an actor he is, um, so I wrote that down as a note.

Speaker 4: 30:14

The other thing I wrote is that he said a few things like things are changing, all that and it just sounds like the town is going through a reset. I wrote down town reset and yeah, and I don't know why, how, when, but it seems to me that the town is going through some kind of a reset and I don't know if that's because the ambulance was coming in and all that, and and it knows things are changing, because now tabitha has new information and you know his dad's kind of like. So I, I don't know if that's all connected, I'm sure it is. But, um, that's why I wrote down. This was especially when he was like trying to measure the trees. Again, he's like the the trees are moving and so there seems like there's a reset happening.

Speaker 4: 30:50

I will say this.

Speaker 2: 30:51

I will say this we're going to be tricks. Well, yeah, we're going to be talking to Scott AKA Victor, this week Awesome.

Speaker 4: 31:02

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:03

And we'll have that out probably for Sunday or whenever you know we're allowed to do it.

Speaker 4: 31:09

But tell, tell me, tell him he's the best actor on the show you know, what oh my god he should be last year.

Speaker 3: 31:15

He was losing it like when he was so emotional, like he had a couple of really amazing scenes.

Speaker 4: 31:22

They just blew me away I mean, listen, there's a lot of great talent on the show, but he, yeah, just stands out every time. First off, he's a lot of great talent on this show, but he just stands out every time.

Speaker 2: 31:29

First off, he's a member of the actor's studio, so he's no schlub, no. And the second thing is what you may or may not know, chris when we first interviewed him, he had told us that his role was supposed to be killed off by the end of season one. Oh wow, and he pulled it back for the reason that he did such a good job. And I'm saying right now, him and Liz Saunders should be up for Emmys.

Speaker 3: 31:58

All the time.

Speaker 4: 31:59

This is the show that everybody should be talking about that. Nobody's talking about. Yeah. It's not enough buzz about the show and it's the most interesting thing on TV, yeah it's not enough buzz about the show and it's the most interesting thing on TV.

Speaker 3: 32:12

Yeah, it really is. And like yeah, I just forgot what I was going to say, so, never mind, it's all right.

Speaker 2: 32:19

We're just cutting each other off. But I will say this the chat is like going nuts here. I love it. I'm going to try to pick out a couple of things.

Speaker 3: 32:31

Yeah, it's active yes, I'm ready to go over to food truckers whenever we're ready I will in one second, but I just want to backtrack to some stuff.

Speaker 2: 32:41

Victor roasting uh, sarah, you know it. It really was. That was good this. This show does have some funny moments and I didn't murder them.

Speaker 2: 32:52

I mean, yeah, I'm just saying they do have their actual, not like you, um, why is this not okay? So, uh, the actress playing actually was nominated for an emmy. Yes, I, yes, I know, um, but, like I said, tabitha well, she was also nominated for an Academy Award as well for her other works. But my point being is, I think the principle of Scott McCord slash Victor and Donna slash Elizabeth Saunders I think they're the ones that are going to come out of this as the superstars we're going to say we knew them when the basement was where his mom kept the paintings and those were where all the secrets were.

Speaker 3: 33:43

The secrets are on the second floor, are in the bedrooms, though the basement to him is where. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 33:54

I think I didn't make this theory and this keeps coming up and this is just like the whole Ethan is Victor, jade is Christopher Tabitha's. I don't think that's. I don't think there's a lot of cohesion with the whole Victor Ethan thing. I think that they're they're married in some way, but I don't think it's. It's that that simple. Yeah, I could be wrong, I could be wrong. I'm not saying, um, oh, here we go. Somebody doesn't like you. No, lizzie, the stuff is from Will. Was was in the basement, not in the room. Okay, all right, let's press on the let's.

Speaker 3: 34:33

Let's press on to uh you know you're not talking about the same thing all right, let's go fruit checkers all right.

Speaker 3: 34:41

So, at any rate, um, I they don't show dale in this scene at all jade is sleeping while, um, not sarah while christy and kenny are kind of chit-chatting kenny's writing a letter to his mom, um, and christy's just kind of laying there in agony waiting for the pain to die down. Um, so at any rate, they're sleeping in one of the cabins it could be the same one that Jim and Kenny were in before. We don't know, they've got a nice little fire going. It actually looks pretty cozy. I was thinking that, yeah, I was like I wouldn't mind being there, that's okay.

Speaker 3: 35:29

So, kenny, you know they talk about, you know the letters like on high holidays they write to their dead relatives, and Kenny is just like the only two people I want to talk to are you and my mom. So, and she reminds him that you know she's still there for him to talk to, he's not alone. And at this point Jade is like would you guys just shut up? Just shut up, you know. And so he asked them if they want to hear something crazy, if they want to hear something crazy. And Jade has just been all sorts of crazy, you know, for almost the beginning, since we meet him and so he talks to them.

Speaker 3: 36:28

He tells them that he's hallucinated something and that he's been hallucinating since he got there. And he's hallucinated the guy in the root cellar Remember who? Who was pinned under that big rock, that boulder. He hallucinated the civil war soldier and it made me wonder if Jade is crossing into their timeline. Like time slip, yeah, like for like, for instance, like especially with the soldier. If he, if he sees some weird guy show up in his where he is he's probably you know and he's in from, and he's got all his comrades up there on the tree branch he's going to shoot at him, you know, and want to kill him.

Speaker 3: 37:12

So I think Jade may be crossing over, but he hallucinated Christopher, which I basically almost forgot about until I was making this list, and then he hallucinated the impaled guy. Then he hallucinated the impaled guy and with these four people I'm going to go back against something Chris said. Maybe Jade is actually the new Christopher who was the new Civil War soldier, who was the new guy in the root cellar. Maybe they do fit into these characters in the town. I'm not looking to go expounding on that greatly. It wasn't until you said that Maybe they are these archetypes in a crisis situation like this town, you know, but I'm very, very, very loosely married to that, meaning I will date.

Speaker 2: 38:21

I will say this, going back to the scene at hand, with Jade and Christy and Kenny. Well, first off, I think what they're doing with Jade is beautiful. I think, you know, it's a fine balance that they're giving him between crazy and Sanity. Well, he's had some of the most emotional scenes in the whole show yeah, with Mrs Liu. So so I mean, what's your thoughts, chris, about the whole jade and jade in general?

Speaker 4: 38:56

yeah, I mean jade is. I mean, listen, you got to go all the way back to thinking like, why is the town picking certain people to come to the town? So the town picks people, I don't know, don't we? Right now, the big mystery is why? Why? And so obviously people, why those people in particular, right, and then it seems now, as we're going along, that then these, to your point, lizzie, is that these people are starting to become these roles within the town. That seems to be on this cycle of sorts. Whatever this is, jade is interesting because he is the one, he is one of the few people that sees some of the things that not other people can see, and everybody in this town sees things like, but he's seeing stuff that not everybody else can see, like the symbols, like the, the, uh, the civil war, um, you know, soldier with the face. And then the guy that was impaled and right before you came on I was telling I even forgot about this he met Jasper.

Speaker 3: 40:02

He met Jasper in season two, episode one oh my God, that's stupid dummy yeah.

Speaker 4: 40:06

Right, but he met. Jasper I forgot just now. It was the craziest thing. And where the heck is jasper? Like where's jasper, which is I'm sure they're gonna get to, since he's like, that's the one thing, that's last season, when, when sabrina tabitha, I forgot all about that yeah, he was in the tunnel I

Speaker 3: 40:25

remember the wagon and the whole bunch of yeah. So that's where he is the rocking horse that was in the basement at victor's house. You know his family.

Speaker 2: 40:36

I completely forgot about all that so, yes, you're right, fletcher, he was in the tunnel along with the wagon and a bunch of other things as well, and that freaky, freaky akui thing, girl, we think it wasn't a cool.

Speaker 4: 40:50

Oh yeah, that's right, the akui. Yeah, so I mean, he he's uh, jade's an interesting guy and here's the thing is like and I, somebody made a comment about um, we're gonna hear john. John said they need to have nightly meetings where everyone says what happened? They just, they just have a rule no matter how crazy, just let it all out on a table so we could figure it out. And it's.

Speaker 4: 41:09

It's actually pretty funny because I just did an escape room this weekend and one of the things that we're talking about strategizing is listen, someone needs to be sort of a project manager when you're doing the escape room, right, somebody who's not involved in solving the puzzle. But is there to be, like, what did you find? Put it on a table, let's all look at it. Oh, we found a lock. This lock needs four, like somebody who's not involved. But like, when something is found, okay, guys, we found this, let's bring it here and let's. Now none of that stuff is happening. And that's where it's like what, what some point, is the stuff that jade's working on and seeing gonna fit in with what somebody else is seeing and doing? And like how it's all gonna interlock to like solve the puzzle. You don't solve the mystery your point, chris.

Speaker 2: 41:54

See, and I and I've we've asked them as well, which they can't answer. But yeah, season one has proven that they want everybody scared absolutely, because that's what the entity feeds off.

Speaker 2: 42:06

That in season two. It proved that, you know, or I should say the end of season one into season two, proved that they don't want them working together. Yeah, no, yeah, and and you talk about the matthews they're trying to pull them apart and the more they try to work together, the more the shit is hitting the fan and it's just a very like you said.

Speaker 4: 42:34

Even the separation of like colony house you know they're their own thing and then the people that actually live in a town, even though they help each other out with the food and stuff, but it's still an us the colony house people versus the people who live in the town, the colony house people versus the people who live in the town. And it's still a lot of us versus them and like not truly coming together to solve the mystery. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 42:57

Everybody is scared, which then you know and I know we're going to get to it. But then Donna has the breakdown and she says I'm just, she's scared, she's terrified. I don't blame her.

Speaker 2: 43:06

Like people have a breaking point and I think from your video last week when I watched, she's been there the longest right, if that's is that, do I have that right from what you guys? Well, victor, and victor is the longest. Donna cliff. Donna cliff has been there.

Speaker 4: 43:24

I should probably just keep this like right next to when we record, yeah you should take a picture of it and then that way you can bring it right up.

Speaker 3: 43:34

Victor, madonna, christy. Boyd Fatima, I mean not Christy. Christy, sarah, the Lues came in somewhere between Fatima and Christy Matthews Family and Jade, and then the bus people.

Speaker 4: 43:46

The bus people and now the ambulance people, which is really just the cop people.

Speaker 3: 43:50

So and now the ambulance people, which is really just the ambulance people. We don't know the name of the cop yet, so yeah, we do, but I forget her name.

Speaker 2: 43:58

But she was actually on, why the last man? That was her big.

Speaker 3: 44:02

Uh, oh, and I'm talking about her character name, not not her. No, I know it was.

Speaker 2: 44:09

She did say it. I just um, I gotta look it up, but uh, we're gonna actually get her on because I've been talking to her, oh cool okay.

Speaker 3: 44:17

So what I thought was interesting? Because he did it again twice this episode. Jade has mentioned Mrs Liu making him tea four times FOA and I'm wondering what the point of that is, because him saying that almost sounds like he's having withdrawals from the tea, which makes me think that she was putting something in it or they are putting something in it.

Speaker 2: 44:54

No, it's not that.

Speaker 3: 44:56

I'm just saying you can't throw out anything because we don't know.

Speaker 2: 45:00

You know what it is. I think what it is is the fact that he just likes. It's not just about the tea, it's about the whole thing, because he's OK, so first off, it's officer, let's first do this. That's her name. Ok, acosta Acosta, that's first. That's her name. Secondly, the whole thing about the tea, and I'm sorry if you don't like what I have to say. I don't want to hear it because I'm done. I am not going to.

Speaker 2: 45:37

No, the thing about the tea is it has nothing to do with what she's putting in it. It has to do with the fact that he, she, she, reminded him of his, his grandmother. She reminded him of his grandmother, grandmother, and it was just comforting and it was just he took, she took him in and she understood him and even though they had separate languages, they understood loss and they bonded over it. And tea, tea was the catalyst, but if you want to think, there's something in the tea, fine.

Speaker 4: 46:13

Yeah, I don't think there's anything in the tea, I just think it's just. You know how people get together and drink coffee. They drink tea. Tea is calming. If anything, she has got a special tea brew that helps with the anxiety of things and you know, calms the nerves like that would be nice. Maybe it's a good stuff in a tea. I mean they are, they are growing, uh, you know the devil's lettuce up at the uh, up at the house you know there's two words oh my gosh, so she's making that special herbal tea.

Speaker 4: 46:44

So maybe she is, but it's the good kind of tea we need to do a special from sung swap showdown.

Speaker 2: 46:52

I think yeah you know crazy devil lettuce songs um, but anyway yeah, there you go.

Speaker 4: 46:59

Mrs lou was a plant dosing everyone with their special potion brewing in the back, where she's a witch. It's confirmed well, john.

Speaker 2: 47:07

Thank you for confirming that mystery solved, there you go.

Speaker 2: 47:10

She was a witch oh wait, oh, he doesn't even know what the tea theory is. Fletcher, you've had to be listening to our pod. You have to go back about a year when, when lizzie revealed that the whole entire thing has to do with her pancakes and her tea and everybody is just on a really bad trip. And then victor's father proved that it is a trip because once they dropped acid, all hell broke loose. That's right, yeah, how it opened up. Anyway, we are talking season three, episode four, there and back, and that's a good reason why, because there's something in the tea, because they went there and they went back.

Speaker 3: 47:50

Um, that, so to close it out, to close out the food truckers um yeah there's banging on the walls of the cabin and, just like the last trip, out innocuous. You know just like, hey, I'm out here and it it makes me wonder if it's someone just reminding them that they're not safe. You know like it is part of the game, like when, when uh boyd and and Sarah ever got dragged in the tent that was, that was like oh my God. You know a really big oh my God moment.

Speaker 2: 48:41

I believe more in the tear theory than the aliens. I love that.

Speaker 3: 48:48

All right, oh gosh. Window shopping All right, oh gosh.

Speaker 2: 48:51

Window shopping.

Speaker 3: 48:53

Window shopping. I got to find it. Where did I put it? I don't know.

Speaker 2: 49:02

So Boyd decides that he wants to go in the bus with yeah yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3: 49:07

Yeah, I have the wrong number there, that's why. So Boyd and Randall Boyd wants to spend the night in the bus so he can check out the monsters, see what he can learn about them, so that he could capture one of them, which I mean I get it, but I just think that that idea is a horrible, horrible idea.

Speaker 2: 49:36

Yeah, let's try to catch one, chris. You know they can. They can rip a cow in half with, like their little claw things, but we're going to catch one.

Speaker 3: 49:45

Yeah, exactly Like. So, you know Randall, you know Randall's being his normal self and and Boyd is like you know, I don't get it. Why are you in this bus instead of sleeping over at the sheriff's station, you know, relaxing alone inside? And Randall admits he wants to help, admits he, he wants to help. Um, he saw some horrendous things, um, that scared the crap out of him and he wants to help. So randall says, you know, because boyd is like you know, I'm trying to figure out their routines and patterns. And randall's like, well, they've got routines and patterns and the thing is they haven't shown up yet when normally they would already be out. And he's, you know he talks about one like the nurse, is the first one to stop, and she stands at the door and hums for 10 minutes and it just it reminded me of the guy that hums when he pees on friends, like the guy in the coffee shop. I, you know I watch it too much, but at any rate and then she just walks off, you know.

Speaker 2: 51:01

I have a problem with this scene and I have a problem with Boyd, you have a problem with this scene.

Speaker 4: 51:07

I like this. This is one of my favorite scenes. What I mean by that is I like the scene I have a problem with boyd.

Speaker 2: 51:10

You have a problem with this scene. I like this. This is one of my things by that is, I like the scene. I have a problem with boyd because you know something?

Speaker 4: 51:15

he's a freaking pain in the ass well, he's, he's running hot because of I mean you gotta, he just got. He just saw like mrs lou ripped apart in front of his eyes, like he's it was yesterday he's damaged.

Speaker 3: 51:27

No, what I mean he's, it was yesterday he's damaged.

Speaker 2: 51:29

No, what I mean by that is he's got PTSD. What I mean by that is okay, randall's an ass. We all hate Randall. He's like the butt of every joke, okay, and. But this is the thing that people are not understanding about Randall as much as he's a total jerk. They picked him, they picked julie and they picked uh, I can never say her name, right mariel mariel okay, mariel, yeah, and they have information that nobody else knows.

Speaker 2: 52:05

And, yes, he's a team play. He's not a team player, he's just scared shitless and he deserves to be.

Speaker 3: 52:14

And it wasn't until the cicada thing.

Speaker 2: 52:17

What are they? They're not cicadas thank you, cicadas, not in boston. Okay, now that said, do you think boyd would have sat down with him and just had the conversation? Dude, you know, I mean I had the conversation then, but it was more like now you're a team player like, couldn't he have just said do you see any patterns? Like you know, throw the olive branch out.

Speaker 3: 52:46

I don't think that they've had time, like I think that's part of the issue. They don't have time a lot of times, like it's just one fire out for another.

Speaker 2: 52:54

But you know what I mean by that is he's trying to gather information and, yeah, maybe he's a little like strung a little too tight, but it's like he's been on the bus for days and it's like what'd you see? And that's the thing. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 53:18

But I mean it just seems like it was.

Speaker 2: 53:19

I understand why they did it the way they did it. For someone that is Mr Loaves and Fishes and about resources, he wasn't very resourcey in this sense.

Speaker 4: 53:26

I think he's just not thinking rational. He's very hot-headed and he's got a thing for random. He doesn't like him at all. No, but I mean, and you're telling a boy and he's very emotional, he does fly off the handle a lot as much as he likes to think he's, but he's not and he's messed up and he's got PTSD. A lot as much as he likes to think he's the, but he's not and he's messed up and he's got ptsd.

Speaker 2: 53:49

I'm telling you like he's not the same guy we met at the start to where he is now finding goats.

Speaker 4: 53:52

He's not finding goats yeah, exactly, he's not the same anymore, and I get through things and now the town or the, the entity has really targeted him, right, right. They really want that town, wants to break him in the worst way, like, and they're doing everything they can to break him.

Speaker 2: 54:08

It just it just seemed like he was so surprised when Randall was like the nurse knocks for 10 minutes and this happens and that happens Because he's not giving him any credit at a time of day. Yeah, and then he's like dude, they should be here. There's something wrong, right.

Speaker 3: 54:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:25

That's all.

Speaker 1: 54:26

No, and I agree, I mean he should the ambulance is coming.

Speaker 3: 54:30

They know that. Well, they don't know, Well, the creatures know, the monsters know yeah.

Speaker 4: 54:37

The monsters know what's going on. That's why they're thrown off.

Speaker 4: 54:41

And then you finally see the ambulance coming at some point, yeah, so there was an interesting thing that he said there in that, and when Randall had said there was a great line, he said in there, like you know, when he's going through the things that I've seen and all this stuff, and he said there are things in this town worse than death or something along those lines, and that was like to me the big foreshadowing of like you know what would eventually. You know what we're all thinking, which I don't know it's gonna happen, but it's what we're all thinking is him being coming, a monster, um himself and that's what he becomes martin yeah I was thinking, by the way.

Speaker 2: 55:25

I was looking at pictures of Martin the other day and it's really interesting because I gotta go back and maybe we can add this to the video. He has got a hole in his head. Yeah, yeah, oh, okay. I guess I'm just like late to the party or something In his head.

Speaker 3: 55:47

Yeah With the spike. Yeah, oh, okay, I guess I'm just like late to the party or something but Well no we talked about this, Like when when, when it happened. Yeah, I mean honestly, I forgot until you just said it. But yeah, I don't know, and we didn't, we didn't At that point we hadn't seen Kelly impaled to the tree or this other guy impaled to the tree.

Speaker 4: 56:10

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 56:10

So apparently they like to impale people to trees.

Speaker 2: 56:15

Yeah, it's just an easy way to play with their food, it's their pastime, yeah, all right, so let's press on.

Speaker 3: 56:23

So over to the ambulance and this will lead us into the arrival.

Speaker 2: 56:32

As an EMT. As an EMT, yeah, I am like mortified. Those guys deserve to die they were red shirts.

Speaker 4: 56:42

They're red shirts, they're red shirts.

Speaker 2: 56:45

Oh my God, there is not enough red shirt for those two.

Speaker 3: 56:50

Yeah, oh God, I felt bad for Tabitha because she's trying to tell the three of them yeah she's trying to save them. I'm trying to save your life here. We have to go back toward the town.

Speaker 2: 57:02

We haven't done that in cop.

Speaker 3: 57:04

Yeah, like I mean, and the thing about it is, if she told them what was really going to happen, they would just be further certain that they should be driving to the psych ward, you know, yeah, so they come to the tree in the road, they get out and they're like you know to them it's just a tree in the road.

Speaker 3: 57:22

They get out and they're like you know, to them it's just a tree in the road, it's just, you know, josea williams street, down the street for me, because after every high winds storm we have here, there is a tree across the road on that street somewhere, um, and so good pictures of this, I gotta find them okay, so the crows it seemed like there were even more crows that time than when Tabitha came to the tree the first time, right, and I've got to ask Chris, like, were you as surprised as I was?

Speaker 3: 57:57

not that you know how surprised I was that they were headed to Frum, like when they pull up and they see the tree.

Speaker 4: 58:10

I mean, when I I mean when it ended last week and the tree was there, I was like, oh my god, like they're going. But the thing is it, it made some sense because at first, how last episode ended with the, you know, with her freaking out and her thinking like, basically, there's a glitch in the matrix. I'm actually still there. This is just blah blah. And he's like, no, what are you talking about? And then the accident happens and and I was like, yeah, she's just freaking out, it's not. And then when that happened, I go, wait a second, this is actually a whole new dimension. Maybe she never left the town, I don't know. It's just so weird and it's like this whole parallel universe type thing, I don't know.

Speaker 4: 58:51

So when they pulled up at the end of the last episode, I'm like, okay, this makes sense. And now you know. And then this is just a continuation of like you know what's going to happen here. They're gonna be brought to the town. And it's like, why? Because Tabitha has information. But why is the town selecting to bring her back, wouldn't the?

Speaker 3: 59:12

town want to keep her out. I think she went to grab.

Speaker 4: 59:15

Victor's dad, because I think that at least the two EMTs. It didn't matter if they made it to the town.

Speaker 3: 59:28

So I think the people that had to make it to the collateral damage made it to the town.

Speaker 4: 59:30

You know right, and it's probably the boy in white is the one masterminding who bring, who comes instead of town somehow?

Speaker 3: 59:37

why do you think him? Because he got them out well, because he was the one originally. Yeah, he got him out.

Speaker 4: 59:42

Well, because he was the one that actually, yeah, he got them out and you know the whole Victor with the box with the address and all that, and it's like everything is being set in motion, yeah, and somehow the boys Because they need more supplies, and it's got a whole bunch of supplies.

Speaker 2: 59:55

Well, there's that too.

Speaker 4: 59:56

It's got a whole bunch of medical supplies, which will be very beneficial considering how much people are getting hurt in this town. But yeah, for some and I still don't know, and the whole connection with saving the kids, and so there's a lot of nuggets they're dropping. It just isn't all there's. You know, it's the jigsaw puzzle pieces. They're all over the table.

Speaker 2: 1:00:18

Most of them are not fitting yet, so I want to chat as well as um blowing up.

Speaker 4: 1:00:25

I know.

Speaker 2: 1:00:25

I know I'm not doing as good of a job, but, um, do you think the boy in white is good or bad, Chris?

Speaker 4: 1:00:36

I we go, my wife and I go back and forth on this all the time. He's part of the town and, for whatever reason, whether he's the full-on entity or he's an entity in a different, I don't think he's good. I don't think there's any good in this town. I don't think so.

Speaker 3: 1:00:57

I think everything he imposes is good because it's all meant to kill people.

Speaker 4: 1:01:02

I don't know, it's weird, I don't know, but I don't know, it's weird, I don't know but I don't think he's good what about you, lizzie I?

Speaker 3: 1:01:08

don't. I don't think he's good either. I just think that he's like a card in the deck that you pull that sends you off on a side trip to do something. Yeah side quest. Yeah, I don't think he's either Good and bad.

Speaker 4: 1:01:36

The one character in this that I find to be very intriguing is the Tilly character. I don't want to go too far off on a tangent, but Tilly character, we can talk about Tilly. I mean Tilly character.

Speaker 2: 1:01:43

I don't want to go too far off on a tangent but Tilly character, no, we can talk about Tilly.

Speaker 4: 1:01:45

I mean Tilly seems to be not actually. I know she was on that bus and all that, but I feel like Tilly is something else.

Speaker 3: 1:01:54

She's not like the rest of them.

Speaker 4: 1:01:56

No, and I feel like she's just something else. I don't know what. I don't know if she's some kind of a different manifestation of something I don't know, but she has purpose in there and I haven't completely figured it out. So if we're going to go good or bad, she may be the thing in that town that is actually some sort of a good force who got in to help these people.

Speaker 2: 1:02:17

Now I do want to go to the next thing. If you're going to talk about Tilly, let's talk about this.

Speaker 3: 1:02:25

Oh my gosh, I'm not done with the ambulance yet.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

All right, let's get back down. I'm sorry, ambulance.

Speaker 3: 1:02:30

I just wanted to finish that.

Speaker 4: 1:02:34

There's a lot to unpack with that?

Speaker 3: 1:02:36

Yeah, there is. They've lost signals with you know the signal, just like the Matthews phones. The cell phone stopped working and then GPS data was unavailable. And then, shoot, where did it go? Oh, one of them remarks like they don't know how they ended up in the woods when they were just in the city. You know, like all of a sudden they're just driving, like that's got to be weird. You're driving in a city and next thing you know you've got this big tree across the road. But Tabitha is saying we need to keep going this way. But I'm thinking they end up in town. No matter what direction they go in, at this point they're on the road. On that road they're going to end up in town.

Speaker 2: 1:03:31

They kept saying that they want to turn around.

Speaker 4: 1:03:33

It's right here, yeah but they were never going to get around this tree.

Speaker 3: 1:03:39

I know, yeah, no, and just basically her saying we have to go this way. We have to go this way, I think all along, like once they figured out that she was the one that escaped from the hospital. They've just been treating her like a psych patient right yeah, and you know henry's been out of it, so they can't even figure out um how he's doing so anyway, go, go talk about my Elgin Talk about your Elgin.

Speaker 2: 1:04:27

All right, let me get the right slide, because you just had it up too. I know Well, I left and came back and didn't do it on purpose, but that said guys Okay, so we have got Elgin, and Elgin is one crazy, crazy guy and I get total shining vibes out of this entire storyline, yeah if there's anybody that needs a friggin vacation from from, it's him.

Speaker 2: 1:04:57

Yeah, he needs to take a red cross swimming course and stay out of the frigging water. So we learn a little bit more about this creature. It looks less like Fatima in this, yeah, and she says something to him. She says help me. Now what does that mean? Could this mean? This is what they're going to turn into meaning uh, julie and randall and uh, miriam or what's her name?

Speaker 2: 1:05:37

mariel yeah, I'm sorry guys, I just cannot remember that. I don't know what's going on with her and Elgin, but the guy needs to change his shirt and stop having birds fly into his life. And what's your take on this, chris?

Speaker 4: 1:05:59

Well, like I said, it's given me some major shining vibes. And so the help me thing, you know it seems to be, I mean, at least from the outside it looks to be like some sort of you know your traditional ghost story, right, like a spirit that's trapped there. But I mean, the thing is, this woman looks, you know, like she's been in the ground for a while.

Speaker 4: 1:06:20

You know she's very corpse, like like very corpsey, um, mummified type. Look. So I don't know if she's like her, like their, her body is somewhere hidden somewhere and but her spirit seems to be trapped here, like you know, and and he seems to be the only one I can see her, which is like why I keep going. It's like these major shining vibes like, uh, you know, but then again it's like you know, jade's got the same thing, like he's. Only there's only things that jade can see. So, right, it's, um, it's crazy. So I don't.

Speaker 4: 1:06:54

I don't know where it's going yet, but obviously it's leading me and it's only here in the colony house and only he can see her right, because I don't think tilly can. No, no, nobody can see, can see her right, because I don't think Tilly can see her.

Speaker 2: 1:07:04

No, no, nobody else can see her. But what's kind of interesting is and this is what, oh yeah, while Miriam says you know, the lady is a Chinese actress, which that's known in a Japanese kimono, which is again very confusing. You know, john doesn't even like the whole storyline. It sounds like Just find out what the problem is and, you know, just tell us already.

Speaker 4: 1:07:30

Well, yeah, I mean my biggest, my only biggest gripe with this show has been is that they're putting more mysteries on and they're solving mysteries and they gotta start at least wrapping some of these up before you introduce even more mysteries. Like. That's been my only complaint about the show this far, is that? Oh, another mystery like can we solve, you know? Right, these other ones like.

Speaker 2: 1:07:53

So that's my only gripe and I know, it's all leading somewhere, so no, I'm totally with you on that, and I get frustrated with that too, because it's like dude, what are we doing here?

Speaker 4: 1:08:06

yeah, like just wrap one of these up.

Speaker 3: 1:08:08

Like this, wrap this up so with that woman, the kimono woman, I was just I don't know why I waited until now to look like. There's types of japanese ghosts yeah, one of them, and I don't know how to pronounce this, but it's U-B-U-M-E, u-b-m-e mothers who died in childbirth or left children behind. Oh, so, that might be her Interesting. Yeah, I mean, she looks like she was probably young when she died. Yeah, you know? Yeah, I mean she, she looks like she was probably young when she died.

Speaker 4: 1:08:47

Yeah, you know yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:08:48

So that could possibly fit. So, oh, before I forget I made a note to this I want to say hello to Catherine, who was on Tik TOK giving us a shout out, so I thought that was really nice. Are we ready to really jump into the arrival of the ambulance?

Speaker 2: 1:09:13

Let's do it. He's got to go. He's got to work tomorrow, you know he's. You know, sleeping beauty over here and he's got.

Speaker 4: 1:09:24

He's got 15 in the morning going down in only like four hours.

Speaker 3: 1:09:29

Yeah, I don't have a job, so I can stay up all night.

Speaker 2: 1:09:32

Yeah, we all have to like have things. All right.

Speaker 3: 1:09:37

So Boyd and Randall see the ambulance coming in so they go running out. Ethan sees it and he yells, just like Tom has said, and you know they rush to the window because I mean, it's pitch black there, so something coming through with flashing lights that everyone's going to notice it. Um, the Randall and Boyd run out as the ambulance passes them and Ethan runs out of the house. Boyd catches Ethan and gets him back into the house and Tabitha begs them to stop. She's in the ambulance begging them to stop and they're just thinking we're going to just drive on through. You know, because they don't know any different, because they don't know any different, they won't stop until they see the body of the teenage girl. The Bobby Sox are lying in the street, which was pretty clever. Nice little trap for EMTs, right? Alex?

Speaker 2: 1:10:40

Sure.

Speaker 3: 1:10:41

Some red-shirted.

Speaker 2: 1:10:42

EMTs Some asses.

Speaker 3: 1:10:46

Yeah, so the two EMTs get out and they go to treat her. They go up with their boxes and everything and they're going to look at her and see what's wrong.

Speaker 2: 1:10:58

Some asses.

Speaker 3: 1:10:59

They roll her over and she slashes one across the neck and all the thoughts, oh yeah, like, and from all you know, from what it looks like, from what we see after the fact, they tend to like the organs they like organ.

Speaker 2: 1:11:19

Oh yeah, they love a good organ yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:11:24

So, um, but tabitha tried to stop them from going out. She was like that's not a person, but they're not gonna believe that until they find out for themselves and they find out the hard way. Um, I love, like I'm wondering, because remember in the first did we see more of the monsters in the first season? In the second season too, or did we just see their heads turn? Because like she stands up, she's still got the dress on, but she's got the bald head and the grilled teeth?

Speaker 2: 1:12:01

wait, hold on one second, I can show you what she looks like.

Speaker 4: 1:12:05

Yeah, I know, I'm asking if, if they, if they right if we saw more full of yeah, if we saw more, uh, I mean, I feel like we saw, I feel like they, they would give us certain ones, because obviously it's a, you know, it seems to be very expensive from a production standpoint change.

Speaker 2: 1:12:24

They threw money into it this year.

Speaker 4: 1:12:25

Yeah, this year they put more money into it.

Speaker 2: 1:12:27

They're changing left and right now.

Speaker 3: 1:12:30

I'm just wondering if we saw more of a body previously. I thought we did, but I'm not sure. I think the closest look we got was when the face came up behind Khatri yeah that was terrifying. Terrifying when that happened and we only got a hint of it with bob. I mean, yeah, not with bob, with frank, um, let's see, um, and the screaming, that scree they can hear all throughout the town.

Speaker 2: 1:13:04

A mating call.

Speaker 3: 1:13:07

Yeah, pretty much Like yeah. So the cop sees what's going on, Tabitha's getting more agitated. The cop handcuffs Tabitha to, you know, on a bar in the ambulance, Boyd is telling the kids to stay in the house. Tabitha tells Henry that they're in the, they're in danger. Oh, they're in real danger. And they hear the screeching.

Speaker 3: 1:13:37

Jim opens the door and it was like my hair you know that he found her, um, and I thought that that was the most relieved, that jim has looked in three seasons, that one moment, um, you know, finding her, uh. And then they realized, like boyd doesn't have the key, they need to get her loose, for obvious reasons. Randall has a toolkit in the bus and he goes to get it Now. Then they go up to Colony House where one of the guys is ringing the bell saying there's a runner on the hill.

Speaker 2: 1:14:21

He's a dick.

Speaker 3: 1:14:23

Why.

Speaker 2: 1:14:25

He's the same guy that's basically saying oh, we can't open the door because he doesn't want to let anybody in.

Speaker 4: 1:14:33

No, he's always one, he's a selfish guy.

Speaker 3: 1:14:38

He was probably waiting for the night that he'd be able to ring that bell.

Speaker 4: 1:14:43

You know, oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:14:45

So Nikki looks out and sees that it's a cop. I'm sure they can see, like the, you know, the cop is out there and the bride, she's got the bride in front of her and then the bank president comes up, you know, between her and the house when she shoots at the house and gets nikki but doesn't, you know, but she missed him entirely. The thing that I don't understand is that, given the proximity of the town to the house, that they didn't hear all the gunshots going on to begin with. Or maybe they did and that's why they were on lockdown.

Speaker 2: 1:15:23

I don't know they were party 99 baby yeah, yeah, like they usually are that's what they

Speaker 3: 1:15:30

do um, yeah, so it was the bride, the um, screeching girl, the the um what do you call it? The cheerleader, like they were all there for the party. So Marielle, you know, attends to Nikki while Bacta helps the cop. And let's see, clara brings her in. Oh, bacta is helping with Nikki, sorry, so they get supplies so that they can treat Nikki. Let's see who's saying this shit is real, isn't real, sorry, but anyway, donna wants to know if there's anyone with the cop Like, can you like? Did you see the way when she comes in the house and she sees all the people like there's this big party, you know, and they're all just standing around? It was just this weird entry, I mean well, I was shocked too.

Speaker 3: 1:16:35

Yeah, who the hell are?

Speaker 4: 1:16:37

these people. I mean you know. I mean, look what just happened. She was going on a normal routine call as far as and then now they're rooted. And when, then all this she just watched these EMTs get eviscerated by these monsters and she's shooting the point blank and nothing like. There you go, ptsd. You know, like it's just well what is happening. I was a little upset with with Boyd again you know, I was a little upset with, with boyd again.

Speaker 2: 1:17:05

You know why?

Speaker 4: 1:17:06

because, well, he flew off the handle really fast. What's that? He flew off the handle really fast yeah, it was like like she's brand new to the freaking place.

Speaker 2: 1:17:15

She's shooting and it ricocheted or whatever. It hit the girl with the bath, the bathroom girl, and you know, like nikki, and like come on, like, yeah, bathroom, nikki, it's not like you hit dale or or ellis you know what I was thinking too like when we were looking at the, the two ambulance guys, the, the EMTs.

Speaker 3: 1:17:42

I remember how angry I would get watching the Walking Dead and it was almost like every scene was a night scene and you couldn't see anything that was going on. And I'm watching this and I'm like I can see everything that's happening. So that was just my little gripe, but anyway, sorry happening. So that was just my little gripe, but anyway, sorry. So we, we go back down to town and randall comes up and he's got the kit, but all the monsters are standing between him and the ambulance and then the scene you've been waiting for that's right.

Speaker 3: 1:18:22

Yes, so he throws the the kit to um to yeah, to then to jim yeah, to gets it to jim so he can get. Uh, tabitha, I keep wanting to call her sabrina, um, gets her free. But anyway, you know, randall says don't forget me, don't leave without me, right? He gets the keys from the waitress, yeah, and then hightails it out there well, he said no, it's not like he just hightailed it out there.

Speaker 2: 1:18:59

She said she made a trade. Yeah, she traded. It's like we're keeping rent.

Speaker 4: 1:19:04

Yeah, we're keeping rent. And the cicada stuff started happening. The minute he left he went back to the bus.

Speaker 2: 1:19:11

Yeah, the cicadas. Well, the cicadas have always been there, I think.

Speaker 4: 1:19:14

Right, but they really got aggressive.

Speaker 3: 1:19:17

I mean, he spends so much time by himself. How often is he having these hallucinations? I don't know if they're hallucinations or if they're real.

Speaker 4: 1:19:29

Right, well, I mean who knows, in this town.

Speaker 3: 1:19:33

Yeah, it could be either way, but if they're real, he's the only one that's really seeing them. But they're super real to him. Yeah, it's just I kind of felt bad for him, oh, I felt so bad for him.

Speaker 2: 1:19:50

He just got a raw deal. I mean, the guy's a dick. He doesn't deserve to be tortured.

Speaker 3: 1:19:55

No, no, not like that. I mean it was. I mean the whole thing. I think is the whole premise of this is to break Boyd and, like this entire season, you know they're going to fucking break void and I don't want to see it, but you know we're along for the ride and she stands there holding the keys out and saying you know you can't save them all. I wonder if the choice would have been different if it was anybody else.

Speaker 2: 1:20:38

Here's a good closeup of it. I mean, how freaky is that?

Speaker 3: 1:20:42

Yeah, and she's smiling because she knows she needs.

Speaker 2: 1:20:46

She works for tips, the actress Terry, we're going to actually get on. I was talking to her. She just came from and talk about an icon. There's. There's a to actually get on. I was talking to her. She just came from Lake Eason and talk about an icon. There's a bunch of iconic lines. There's Jasmine, who had a couple of iconic scenes, and this woman now is pretty cool.

Speaker 3: 1:21:05

You can't save them all.

Speaker 2: 1:21:07

We can't save them all, you can't save them all.

Speaker 3: 1:21:11

He didn't even think about it very much. We can't save them all, but we get to keep randall and he grabs the keys and jets you know um no, I know I'm getting.

Speaker 2: 1:21:26

I'm getting some shit about randall. You know we tied her to a law, I mean, you know, to a tree and everything else. You know what I'm going to say this Nobody knows what you would do if you were in Frumville, and it just gets kind of crazy.

Speaker 3: 1:21:40

But he did not have to tie Donna to a tree.

Speaker 2: 1:21:43

He's crazy. I'm not saying he's not crazy, but nobody deserves to know.

Speaker 3: 1:21:48

The two of them just did not hit it off, you know. No, not at the two of them just did not hit it off. No, not at all.

Speaker 3: 1:21:58

All right, yeah, so they loved all of their smiles when they were standing over Randall. It was like at the end of Titanic, when Rose finally shows up on the staircase and everyone's smiling at her. So Jim says they have to go, boyd um grabs the keys and gets in the ambulance and then randall hears the engine and tells boyd not to leave him. And I'm like I felt really bad, you know, because I can't imagine, I don't want to know how scary that is in reality.

Speaker 2: 1:22:33

I don't either, but you know, like I said, it's not something I want to deal with. Like I said, I felt bad for him because I think what they're doing to him it's going to be interesting to see what their endgame is with him. So do you have any? I'm sorry, chris, what were you going to say?

Speaker 4: 1:22:51

Oh, I was going to say yeah, I mean, obviously it goes all the way back to that bus scene, like they're stalking him, they're watching him. It's more than we just want to eat him or kill him, like the whole stuff with the cicadas and this. Like he's one of them, whether he's going to become a monster or somehow serve the town in another way, he's becoming part of the town. I don't know. Some somehow, some way yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:23:20

And so, um, we're back up at the house and, uh, mariel is treating um nikki with for the gunshot and they go and get her all the tools and stuff that she needs. Um, while jim is in the ambulance trying to get tabitha free, and he's got the tools so he manages to do it. Um and uh, let's see everyone's looking at everything um going on and donna is getting the picture that a lot has happened in town and, um, the you know, the ambulance shows up, they get out, they go into the house and and the cop finally unlocks tabitha, because now she knows tabitha is not a psych patient. Um, and then tabitha and jim goes upstairs. They go upstairs to a room which I don't know why they had to do that.

Speaker 3: 1:24:17

I don't know why they couldn't find a spot on one of the couches. But you know, when you skipped ahead to the Elgin and Tilly thing, I thought how could I miss all of those notes on that? And it's because it hadn't happened yet. But my question was was elgin asleep when? Um, because I mean he asked if he's awake.

Speaker 3: 1:24:46

You know, yes, tilly, that he never answered yeah, and she just made a like a, a grunt kind of sound. But I made this little hexagon when is it Right there? So you've got Tilly and then Elgin and then Fatima. Now the kimono woman. Like is the kimono woman? Does it have?

Speaker 4: 1:25:33

anything to do with Fatima, because I know that some people are saying that that it's fatima. But here's the thing is once again, if we start slotting in, do things happen in cycles in this town. And yeah, was that woman? Like, is fatima becoming whoever that woman was? In a sense, yeah, like, is she now taking the place of whatever that woman did? So, yeah, you start slotting in, like this person is now this person that used to be in the town before they got there.

Speaker 2: 1:26:01

Right, right. All we're doing is playing a spell.

Speaker 4: 1:26:03

Game Right and so you know, and somehow I don't you know, and did the same thing happen, that one and I see the the the common theater kimono ladies wearing a pregnancy kimono. So is it the same thing that that woman got pregnant while she was in a town and whatever is growing inside of her, basically, you know, sucked her dry you know, like, you know like killed her and then and all that, and this is the same thing that might happen to Fatima.

Speaker 4: 1:26:33

You know, we seeing like so and to help me she's trapped there. I don't know. You know it's all this once again more puzzle pieces that are like kind of see it but not yet, and so I think it's all tied in somehow.

Speaker 3: 1:26:48

Yeah, it's the craziest puzzle. So Tabitha tells Jim that Henry is Victor's father and that Miranda saw this place before she ever came here. Let's see, let's see why she went to. All right, jim comforts her. She worries that it was her only chance to go home, and they're interrupted by Nikki screaming. So Nikki's been treated, bandaged up and the whole thing. So she starts screaming and then Marilee checks and she's like you know it must be internal bleeding checks, and she's like you know it must be internal bleeding. You know, all of a sudden she's gushing, you know, blood out of the mouth and she just kind of dies pretty quickly. Um, and at that point Boyd explodes on the cop and has to be pulled back. Um, and then Donna drags him upstairs and they go into her room and you think that Donna is going to turn around and explode.

Speaker 3: 1:27:58

Right, but she's actually breaking down like this, like if you think back to when the Matthews family arrived and how tough she was and how stern she was and everyone kind of was afraid of her. And then Fatima has her one year anniversary and she's all like soft and lovey-dovey and the whole thing. Like you don't expect her to break like this.

Speaker 2: 1:28:26

She's the one breaking while Boyd is taunting them like you can't break me, but she did it in private the way she should. So she throws strength and the main thing is that you know she did it the right way.

Speaker 3: 1:28:44

Yeah, she did it the right way. But it's like here's Boyd and her Remember like when this all started they didn't want to talk to each other, they kept their distance. She stayed up on the hill, you know.

Speaker 4: 1:28:59

Right, they were separated, it was them and them versus.

Speaker 2: 1:29:03

And everybody was happy back then.

Speaker 4: 1:29:05

Yeah, true, it all worked. They're not so much.

Speaker 2: 1:29:08

They're definitely not so much, but you know, it's one of those things that hopefully. Well, first off, everybody has their ups and downs, everybody has their moments, or whatever, but I really think that Donna will have her cry and then she'll be fine and she'll be back to her normal badass self. So what other points do you have, hon?

Speaker 3: 1:29:37

We still haven't talked about Randall showing up on the hood of the car. You know, we still need to talk about Randall and we need to talk about Fatima.

Speaker 3: 1:29:48

Yeah, let's get to it All right, yeah, let's get to it because all right. So nikki dies and um donna loses her mind and, let's see, she finally says that she's scared, which I think she's been wanting to say for a long time. Like the attack on colony house just like totally killed her world. It just that was the end of it. Um, so ellis and another guy bring um nicky upstairs, set her on the bed. Fatima follows and fatima says she just wants to sit with her for a little bit, which I'm like. I mean I know Nikki just showed up for this little story arc, but still that just was weird, just weird. Nobody else, like we never see Fatima palling around with anybody and she wants to sit with this girl. She ends up pulling, you know, unwrapping the blanket, pulling off the band-aid which just the sound of it gave me the creeps and then starts sticking.

Speaker 4: 1:31:00

I know she's like she's sticking her fingers in the bullet hole and then I was uh, yeah, I was, I was totally squirming, I was like oh, my god it was disgusting. It was gross.

Speaker 3: 1:31:19

She was licking her fingers like they were whole bellied fried clams. It was that good oh my god.

Speaker 3: 1:31:27

So Donna and Boyd end up having a drink, and I think it's basically Boyd end up having a drink and I think it's basically you know Boyd's guilt that's killing them. So they see they're standing there having the drink and all of a sudden there's they can see flashing lights and the ambulance pulls up. I mean not the ambulance. Wait a minute. Yeah, how did I get that wrong? They can't be having. Oh, the lights start flashing. They look out the window and there is. Randall.

Speaker 3: 1:32:02

There's Randall on the hood and he is. I don't think he's mortally wounded, but I think he's pretty wounded.

Speaker 4: 1:32:11

Yeah, he's wounded.

Speaker 3: 1:32:13

He's got some serious.

Speaker 2: 1:32:14

He's had better days. He's had better days, but he's not dead.

Speaker 4: 1:32:19

Yeah, which is funny because just in time for that ambulance to be there to help patch him back up.

Speaker 3: 1:32:23

Yeah, exactly, but remember he said there are worse things than being dead. And I think seeing, you know know, like being attacked by those things. That's what he saw, some of what he saw. I mean, I would not want to be one of those things that would be a bad thing, you know but also being attacked and still living yeah you know, does that mark you I? Don't know, so that's all I have to say about that that's awesome I actually have blank pages now I can't believe it.

Speaker 2: 1:33:06

It only took us five and a half hours, um so, oh so folks, um, that do you. You don't have any extra booms that we should know about.

Speaker 3: 1:33:16

No booms this week.

Speaker 2: 1:33:18

So, Chris, I know you're trying to almost stay awake here. Sorry, Chris. What is your thoughts for our people right now?

Speaker 4: 1:33:31

I mean this was another action-packed episode where we got more mysteries, no answers. We really didn't get many answers. I mean I don't think we got really any answers. We got more mysteries, more things to chew on. They gave us more pieces to the puzzle, which is nice, but nothing's getting solved and they're just furthering in things. And we've also now introduced another new character into the mix and having actual cop there, um, you know, probably working with boy like it's going to be interesting now to see the dynamic it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:34:09

More importantly, uh vict, victor's father.

Speaker 4: 1:34:13

Yeah, well, and this is the other thing the reunion of Victor and his father, exactly. That's going to be interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:34:21

And how is that going to go Exactly? There's a theory out there. Is it really Victor's father? And all this other crap.

Speaker 4: 1:34:32

But we're not going to get into that. Tonight he's going to see his son the last time he saw his son he was like what Eight?

Speaker 3: 1:34:37

Ten, maybe ten. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:34:41

Yeah. So, folks, next week we're going to be talking episode three, I'm sorry. Season three, episode five, light of Day. All I'm thinking of is the Bruce Springsteen song. That's right, light of day. All I'm thinking of is the Bruce Springsteen Song, you know, yes, he didn't well, he sang it but it was really. Thank you for that. Also, folks, if you guys want a piece Of season one, we've got our Poster. You can go to our Etsy shop, which is what is from shop on etsy and we still have a couple.

Speaker 2: 1:35:19

We're working on season two. We're gonna probably be doing a um pre-order soon. We're just waiting on kirk to to give us a sketch of it and then we're gonna try to get that out as quickly as possible. Um, and, of course, if you want to support the podcast even more, we always have our quote-unquote. It's not really a patreon, but it's a buzzsprout. You can support us that way as well. Um, I want to thank you, chris. I know you're a big fan of the show and you, you're always welcome back, thank you. Thank you, chris. We'll try to keep it under five hours, because someone says that they do.

Speaker 2: 1:35:59

I'm making no promises yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:36:01

What's that? I'm making no promises, I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:36:04

Song Swap Showdown goes for almost two hours.

Speaker 2: 1:36:07

I mean you guys can podcast for two hours. My butt ain't doing that. Okay, Literally and figuratively. But um no, I just want to thank you because I I know we've been I've been wanting to podcast with you for a while and this is great, maybe we can.

Speaker 2: 1:36:24

Uh, we need to swap. Uh, yeah, things you know I'm talking about I can't do right now because it's it's bedtime, but folks, I want to thank you so much for coming out. I know we got about 30 something people, but when it's time to go, it's time to go and the bell's ringing, so you better get home. Get your home, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on.