62 FROM MGM+ : Season 3 Episode 5 "The Light of Day" w/ guests Nikki & Clara – Analyzing Dale's Role and the Show's Cryptic Mysteries

Discover the heart-pounding twists of "From" as we unravel the gripping events of season three, episode five, "The Light of Day." What if a seemingly minor character could become the linchpin of the entire narrative's suspense? Tune in to hear Cliff Saunders share his insights on Dale's unexpected journey and the ripple effects throughout Colony House. Joined by guests Nikki and Clara, we dissect the eerie developments that keep us guessing and explore the intricate web of motives and relationships that make this show a must-watch experience.

Journey behind the scenes with us as we highlight the remarkable evolution of characters now pivotal to the "From" universe. From tackling the challenges of acting with complex prosthetics to portraying deeply emotional scenes, the actors bring the narrative to life with authenticity and passion. Through their reflections, we examine how love and hope drive the storyline forward, pondering their impact on the character dynamics and overall intensity of the series.

As the mysteries deepen, we engage in a spirited discussion on the enigmatic bottle trees and the cryptic clues that continue to captivate fans. Could these symbols hold the key to the town's hidden past and future? We speculate on the show's long-term trajectory, drawing connections between historical elements and modern-day dilemmas. Join us for a riveting exploration of the series' strategic power plays and emotional reunions, promising listeners an unforgettable journey filled with suspense and revelation.

Chapters

• 0:26 Season 3 Episode 5 Podcast Discussion
• 16:45 Exploring Character Development and Storylines
• 22:45 Actors Reflect on Filming Experience
• 39:13 Speculating on Show's Cryptic Clues
• 46:06 Character Dynamics and Relationships
• 1:03:10 Reflection on Character's Development and Demise
• 1:12:15 Catching Up With Colleague and Friend
• 1:16:20 Emotional Reunion and Character Development
• 1:28:51 Uncovering Mysteries of the Bottle Trees
• 1:38:22 Town Meeting Reflection and Analysis

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:26

Welcome to the show. My name is Alex.

Speaker 3: 0:29

Hello.

Speaker 2: 0:31

And this is the what Is Fromcast, a podcast dedicated to the show From, and we are talking season three, episode five, the Light of Day, and all I can think of is Bruce Springsteen with his song, and this was busy, that's for sure.

Speaker 3: 0:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 0:54

Oh, my gosh and I, just before we get into everything, I just want to welcome all the people that are listening in and we've got a lot to talk about. Yes, we have to talk about Dale, but we do have a lot to talk about. Yes, we have to talk about dale, but we do have a couple of guests coming on. Um, we, we actually do. We're going to be teasing dale. He's going to be coming in a little bit later, but before that we're going to be, uh, talking to the bathroom bad girl herself, nikki and her partner in crime, clara, katerina, katerina they go by a lot of different names, right? And yes, you know, sunday is Frumday and folks, if you guys are interested, like we said, you can hit the subscribe button. If you know are interested, like we said, you can hit the subscribe button If you know anybody else. We are up to a whopping 675 subscribers and we're trying to get to 700. Hopefully we can get to 700 by the end of this podcast. So, that said, lizzie, what was your first thoughts on the episode?

Speaker 3: 2:10

You know, I, I, of course I loved it. I mean, there were so many things to be excited about, but I'm just stunned about Dale. Stunned, stunned.

Speaker 2: 2:31

Capital stunned about dale stunned, stunned capital. Yeah, I mean, you know, for a character that was just kind of on the fringes and there's a lot of characters like that. They're not leads, but they're not, you know, they have storylines and to see him go the way he did is just kind of sad and it's you know, we were just starting to get to know him.

Speaker 3: 2:52

Yeah, you know, and I mean we can talk about this more when he's on the show, because I'm saving the Dale section for last. But you know, I saw a different guy standing outside of that tree.

Speaker 2: 3:09

Absolutely, and that there's a lot to be said for that. It's like he didn't even care what was going to happen, he just wanted it to end. Yeah, but we're going to. We're going to talk more about that a little bit later. In terms of my first thoughts, you know we're at the talk more about that a little bit later. Um, in terms of my first thoughts, you know we're at the halfway mark, just about right. We're over the hump, because there's 10 episodes, right, episode five, yeah, yeah, episode five. And and you know what have we learned? We've learned that they're the monsters, are on the, on the offensive some more, and they have some more tricks in their bag, so to speak. And you know, from, you can't just get out of, from there's no key, there's no certainty. Yeah, well, they run the. You know the best way to equate it is the survivors are playing checkers and the monsters are playing chess, and we're going to talk about that a little bit later. So, so, let's, let's get into it, all right, yeah.

Speaker 3: 4:21

Let's start over at Colony House. You got it. So wait a minute. What? Sorry, oh, okay, so they bring Randall in. I was trying to remember what the heck I was talking about in regards to Tilly. But they bring Randall in.

Speaker 3: 4:42

Half of his cheek is ripped away. He's definitely in rough shape and I can only imagine what he's seen, what he experienced that night. But Tilly was like why would they do this? And I'm like why would you ask that question, tilly? Like you know, why would they leave him half dead versus just killing him and eating him? Like there's a reason behind it. They're torturing the survivor. Well, I don't even know if they're survivors, what we call, you know, the townspeople, whatever. So there was that Donna shows Henry Victor's room and it was kind of strange. I mean, we've all shows Henry Victor's room and it was kind of strange. I mean we've all looked at Victor's room when we've been in there, you know, when Victor's been in there doing whatever. But looking at it through Henry's eyes was a different experience. What were your thoughts when you watched him walk around the room?

Speaker 2: 5:46

You know, I was thinking it was kind of interesting because it reminds me of when I first went to my daughter's like second, first grade, even even this year, in her fourth grade classroom. And you know, you're the as the parent, you've always been like their world, but now they have this whole other world that you're not a part of and you're trying to kind of learn their world. And I think that it was just. It was just I felt so bad for him because, you know, missing out on a baseball game once in a while is one thing he listed. He basically missed out on, on on victor's whole life. And you know, you know, when we get to, when we get to victor, um, it's kind of interesting because victor has a certain way that he's approaching it and the father, henry, is approaching it a different way and it's such a kid response and it's such a dad response. Yeah, just it was, it was I, I don't want to. It was just uh, sad and um, joyful at the same time. So I, yeah, it's just I, I I'm, I'm having a hard time with the, the relationship, not in a bad way, it's just it. It's just it's just hard to to watch, you know, I mean, especially when you thought you thought your son was dead or you thought you'd never see your, your father, again, and then all of a sudden they pop up.

Speaker 2: 7:39

I mean I, I know victor. I mean there's been, there's been talk on the interwebs, so to speak. Is he really his father? You know what I mean and I'm not trying to like go down a tangent, but like, is it something? The from is kind of constructed, oh, you know, is it really part of that? I mean, I think it really is his dad, I really do. Is it really part of that? I mean, I think it really is his dad, I really do. But you know, he's an interesting character because he, he has more information than the average bear, because of his wife.

Speaker 3: 8:20

Oh, right, right, he comes in with a, you know like a notion of knowledge.

Speaker 2: 8:23

Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the only crazy trip they were on, but but at the same time, you know, like a notion of knowledge, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the only crazy trip they were on, but but at the same time you know, uh, I think that you know, the welcoming of henry is kind of a difficult thing. I mean, I understand why victor didn't want to see him at first. You know, it's like what do I say?

Speaker 3: 8:46

Or does he still?

Speaker 2: 8:47

love me or is he mad at me? And that's what they talk about.

Speaker 3: 8:54

Well, yeah, I mean where Victor was saying I didn't know how to get home.

Speaker 2: 9:09

His father is thinking that he didn't want to come home when all he wanted to do was to be home. I'm sorry, I still go back to the fact that why did Frum the entity.

Speaker 3: 9:25

keep him there, keep Victor there, yeah, yeah, I mean, they could have killed him at any time.

Speaker 2: 9:29

we all know that or just let him go, but maybe nobody gets. No, I'm just saying what I mean by that is, maybe nobody leaves from, like, maybe that's the thing you never leave. You either die or you live. Yeah, I mean, and, and that's the thing you know, we could, we could, you know, say, hey, we're, they're getting out and they're doing this and they're doing that. You know what. They may never get out. Right, I'm not trying to be a naysayer. I thinking, like when you look at what victor's situation is, I mean he hasn't, no, he's never seen anybody get out of here and there's only one person and she wouldn't, she never really.

Speaker 3: 10:17

And they brought her back. She never what's that? She never really left I'm wondering if she ever really left, if maybe she just went to the other side of the island this is the thing.

Speaker 2: 10:32

this is the thing that's driving me nuts. Um, and we're talking. You know, season three, episode five, the later day is this okay, let's just go on the assumption that she did leave and she was in the quote-unquote real world, why the, the monsters or I should say from can pull you in at any time. So there is a, there is a entity, there is, there is something that they need to to, to beat to, to do what they need to do, um, and I know, I know we're, we're, we're going to have one of our first guests come in and, um, hopefully her partner in crime will be here soon. Um, but let's, let's, but let's take a quick pause on that and let's talk to the worst bathroom mate ever. If you want a bathroom and you got to go, this is the girl you don't want and these are the reasons why you don't want to join a sorority, and the person her best friend who basically told her get lost. So let's welcome Claire and Nikki to the podcast. How are you? And AKA Tamra?

Speaker 3: 11:55

and Katarina. Katarina, sorry, it's been so long, Katarina Hi.

Speaker 6: 12:03

First off.

Speaker 3: 12:03

How are you?

Speaker 6: 12:05

I dig. Well, how are you guys Good? Hi First, off.

Speaker 3: 12:08

How are you? I dig well, how are you guys? Good Hi.

Speaker 2: 12:10

Tamara. Hi, we want to say Tamara, you may be a really great person and when I talk to your partner in crime next to you, she's like she's a really nice person. Honestly, I'm like you don't be messing with the pregnant girl. Okay, let's just first say that.

Speaker 4: 12:31

You don't be messing with my bathroom time.

Speaker 2: 12:34

You know what? You don't peek out the window when you're at from, I mean like come on girl.

Speaker 4: 12:41

That's fair.

Speaker 2: 12:43

He got one job yeah.

Speaker 4: 12:45

Girl like that's fair.

Speaker 2: 12:45

He got one job and yeah so so tell the, tell the viewers, a little bit about you, what you like, what's your. I know obviously you're a working actress, you do all that other kind of good stuff, so just introduce yourself to the from all five people that are listening.

Speaker 4: 13:00

Sure, so my name's Tamara. I swear I am a nice person, though I do tend to get cast as meanies a little bit, so we'll just take away from that what you will. Outside of screen time, I have kiddos and chickens and dogs and I work as a social media creator, not for myself, but for other people, and that's you know, that's me.

Speaker 2: 13:27

Well, that's awesome, and I got to put you aside for one second because I got to talk to your partner in crime here. We are so happy that you are getting so many more lines this year, and they're good lines. You're cooking meat Like, come on, girl. I mean you're doing physical stuff this year.

Speaker 6: 13:47

I actually had a moment while I was doing that because it was a real piece of meat and like the skillet was hot and I was cooking it and I was like this is my job. Wow, this is the glamour of acting right. Yeah, I was like just be normal, you can do it.

Speaker 2: 14:10

Well, we do have a little bit of surprise for Tamara. We realized that you know you had an untimely death and it was very unfortunate sort of, so we came up with something that was just for you. Hopefully you like it and hopefully the viewers will like it too. And, folks, if you have any questions for the Mean Girl and the Meat Girl, we can ask them too. Thank you, so there's a little something for you and, um, you know were you in any of the other seasons are from, or was this your first and only meal?

Speaker 4: 15:24

this.

Speaker 2: 15:24

This was it yeah oh, that's too bad, because you're like, oh yeah, um, and katrina, have you ever found your bike?

Speaker 6: 15:33

no, no, it's to be.

Speaker 2: 15:35

It's the biggest plot hole in this, uh you know what whole series when they, when they are yeah, it's gonna be like harry pot. They're going to be writing all these different things and stuff like that. Maybe I'll get my own spinoff.

Speaker 2: 15:49

Well we can only hope Now. So let me ask you a couple of questions. I know Lizzie has a couple too. What has this season been like for you, since you've been there since the beginning? Like, how has it changed this year I mean, you're in the third season like, what, what, what has been good or challenging or whatever, just as as a whole it's been, for me, really awesome.

Speaker 6: 16:18

Um, it's like a well-oiled machine. People know what their days are going to look like. People are excited to do all of the freaky stuff that you see and, um, I don't know, it felt uh, okay, well, not to sound like too cheesy, but very much like uh from a league coming back and like seeing everybody and just being excited to be there. And for me I was. I was like, yeah, the role is growing. It went from one word, one line, no name character, to you know, I feel like I have a little place in this universe now and yeah, I'm just really glad to be a part of it.

Speaker 3: 17:00

It is pretty. It's been exciting to watch that. You know that you're coming more and more to the forefront and I'm wondering if I'm hoping you don't die or something like that. You know, but it's, I'm wondering where your character will go, like what they'll end up doing with you. And there's a note for Tamara that you made yourself so hateable on the show.

Speaker 4: 17:29

That it was awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. I figure if it's going to be a short time it may as well be a fun time for both the viewers to root for me to be eliminated and for myself that was. That was a delight.

Speaker 2: 17:44

So I'd say you right now, you know the, the one character that everybody loves on this show. I mean, besides clara and besides boyd, there's only one everybody loves and that's jasmine, and she was on for three episodes and and you know, I think the way they did what they did with you, how was how long did that shoot take? Because you had all prosthetics and everything else going on and that was not non-gory deal going on and that's just no it.

Speaker 4: 18:17

I mean it was shot over a couple of different days, um, so there were obviously fittings for the prosthetics and, um, the cast that gets built and then the actual shooting. There was different days for different angles of the window shot and then different moments for, um, the actual death, but they shot all of the window shot, and then different moments for the actual death, but they shot all of the really gory stuff all in one day. I think that's ideal for costuming and makeup and all of that and the cleanup. Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 6: 18:59

That's a great way to go to. I mean like, if you're on a horror show like that's, that's how you want to go.

Speaker 2: 19:09

Now were you in that final scene where, uh, pega was kind of for lack of a better term fingering your whatever holes?

Speaker 4: 19:21

My hole. Yes. Yes, I was. That was was my, that was me. Um, they shot that. I feel like we shot that maybe on the same day as everything else. Um, it's honestly a bit of a blur, but yes, that was my body, yeah john wanted to know how hard was it to play dead.

Speaker 2: 19:43

I know we've had bob man on here and he's talked about that. Are there any tricks? People tell you to pull off.

Speaker 4: 19:51

Uh, to how to pull it off um, no, there was no, no real recommendations, just kind of the goal is to glaze out. If I'm not there then I'm likely not reacting to the things around me. So and I have kids, so I have learned to tune things out very well. So I would say my, my biggest problem was the scene where, where Pegah is sticking her fingers in my stomach, would not stop growling and I was so mortified. This very silent room, very intimate, as she's shoving her fingers in my stomach, is just waiting for its 15 minutes of fame, and it was.

Speaker 2: 20:30

That was the worst part well, you know she's into all that blood and guts right now in in terms of the character, so anything rotten would be good too. There you go, lizzie. I know you had a question.

Speaker 3: 20:44

I'm trying to find them now. So let's see, I had my questions. I don't know where they are, so I'm actually speechless. This never happened. Oh, this is a great day day.

Speaker 2: 21:05

This is a great day in from cast.

Speaker 2: 21:08

I know I'm gonna ask well, I do want to ask them the question that we ask all of our, our, our cast this year. Um, katerina, since you've been on the show and now I'm assuming you've watched the show before, I don't know, maybe you, maybe you haven't Do you think love is the Achilles heel? Because the closer that that that the survivors get, it seems like the monsters are getting more intense. When the first season, it seemed like everybody was at odds. Everything was just kind of status quo. Who wants? To take that first.

Speaker 4: 21:43

I wonder if it's love or hope. Yeah, what about you?

Speaker 6: 21:49

I mean okay no go ahead yeah, no, that's a great yeah, love or hope. Yeah, because it's sort of like how desperate do they get, you know? And the more desperate they are, the worse decisions they're making. So is it because they love each other that they're getting more desperate, or they're just more hopeful? So they're kind of taking more risks because, you know, somebody got out, maybe we can too, and then obviously, shit hit the fan. Um, yeah, no, that's a great point, is it? Lovers at hope?

Speaker 3: 22:33

so the we saw the biggest ensemble, um, that I think we've seen on the show and you have a big line in that. That episode in the not in that episode, the scene in the diner how was it have everybody there and then some it was really cool.

Speaker 6: 22:57

It had been a really long time, uh, since I'd seen everyone. It was like sort of broken up and it wasn't until shooting that day that I met Catalina. I hadn't met her at all. We just never were on set on the same the same days, which is wild, because I'm sure she was there, like most days, uh, but just happened to never be on mine. And then, since Catalina and Ian had an entrance and I also had an entrance, we ended up being held in the same little actor holding. So I got to spend like the day just chatting with the both of them and that was just so cool because they're so experienced and they're super lovely and they have this really great rapport with one another. Like you, if you would believe that they are an old married couple, you just like overheard one of their conversations.

Speaker 3: 23:53

I thought, that sense, when they were standing in the doorway and he's just kind of being very protective of her and I was, like it just came across as so real. You know, like I don't recall ever noticing that on any other couple that I've looked at. You know, I just got finished, um, watching this Kristen Bell series. That was really good and yeah, like they were a hot young couple, but I didn't see that same kind of care where he's just, like you know, protecting her, you know, from the mob basically.

Speaker 6: 24:31

Yeah, I think they're friends and outside of it, which is probably translating through in the acting that a friendship is, is there, and that's what makes them also play such great partners yeah, we had a chance to interview her last week, I think it was.

Speaker 2: 24:50

Was it last week or the week? Before and and you know, you can just tell, I mean you got all you guys have been so gracious to us, you know, coming on and and and being available or whatever else, and you, she was just as you could tell it was genuine, unless she's really acting well, but I mean to us, yeah, I mean she's a great actor yeah, yeah, yeah, she's definitely.

Speaker 2: 25:19

you know she was gorgeous on the video. I can't even imagine what she is like in real life. So what's going on with you, katerina? What else do you have going on, since I know you're just not flopping meat everywhere? What else are you doing in terms of work, because I know you got a couple of things going on.

Speaker 6: 25:40

Yeah, we just wrapped Well, not just, but in the spring spring we wrapped season two of good grief, which is a tv series um that my creative partner, amy treffery, and I uh do. It's a comedy, a dark comedy, on out tv, um. So season two is done. Season one is on out tv. First episodes on YouTube. Check it out. Bob Mann is in it. Need I say more?

Speaker 2: 26:07

Exactly, we'll have him back on for our season wrap-up. We have him on our pregame and then we have him on our season wrap-up. He is the official mayor of Halifax. I'm assuming, tamara, you know Bob Mann as well. I mean, come on, it's like he's the godfather of Halifax, you know.

Speaker 6: 26:36

Absolutely, oh my god, I would watch that movie. Exactly. I have a part. Father of Halifax, I have a part.

Speaker 2: 26:44

Father of Halifax, exactly, and, tamara, you said you do social media. Are you also a working actor as well, outside of being a parent?

Speaker 4: 26:59

I don't do a ton, I'll be honest, but I love to sit my toes in whenever people have me. So I've done more theater and stage work than I have film and television. Um, but I'm enjoying the transition toward film and television and hope to uh hope to show up on more of your screens, I guess.

Speaker 6: 27:16

Yeah, there's an incredible musical theater artist which is the voice of an angel and also the voice voice of a meanie. You do play mean characters a lot.

Speaker 4: 27:26

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 27:28

Even in the musical theater side.

Speaker 3: 27:30

Got this woman some slack. She's pregnant with severe morning sickness. There has to be another bathroom, I know. Isn't there another bathroom in this?

Speaker 4: 27:41

place. Well, you know, if it's my turn, no one asked nikki what nikki was going through, right, maybe not pregnant, but maybe ate some of those rotten vegetables right like here's the hard-hitting question what was your motivation? I'm just, I'm just kidding that was actually my dad's first question. Uh, he saw that you know the death scenes and whatever he said, like you know what were you thinking about? It's like, obviously, childbirth. I think that's what anyone who's had kids has thought about. But my motivation for being mean we all have cranky days.

Speaker 2: 28:20

Was it difficult filming in the winter? Because I know it was exactly. It was like a balmy, like negative 57 degrees in Nova Scotia at the time. How was it? How was it filming this season? Because of the winter?

Speaker 4: 28:37

Snowstorms, yeah, snowstorms. Filming in snowstorms not great. I got lucky and a lot of my stuff was in studio. So you know, outside it might have been gross, but inside it was lovely. But the days on doing exteriors and such were very, very cold and windy, as you can see in the scene with the vegetables. But here's what it is. We're used to it here. So well ladies I.

Speaker 2: 29:09

I want to thank you so much. You know, katerina, you always have an open invitation. You're always nice enough. Every time I message you, you always message me back, despite the fact that it's stupid stuff. I'm messaging you sometimes and welcome to this craziness and hopefully I know you can't come back. Maybe you'll come back as a monster, who knows. You know we'll put some makeup, whatever else, but, um, we gotta let you guys go because unfortunately, as bad as you are and the meanest as you are, we, we have the biggest SOB coming on better than you. Ooh, and I would like to thank you guys for coming and we will talk to you soon. I promise we will get you guys back on, okay. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3: 29:59

All right, see you guys later, bye, bye.

Speaker 2: 30:04

All right, Now the man of the hour, the man, the myth, the legend, the one guy that if they would just listen to him, this place would be better, and that is our best friend Dale.

Speaker 7: 30:21

Look at him, hello Long time.

Speaker 2: 30:25

No see my friend. Ted good to see you too.

Speaker 3: 30:30

Yes, first off.

Speaker 7: 30:31

Understanding Dale.

Speaker 3: 30:33

Of course, first off. There was always something about him Like he gave off kind of like a 70s vibe because I could have sworn at some point he was wearing like an astrological sign, like medallion that used to be in in the 70s.

Speaker 7: 30:56

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had two. I had a leather necklace thing and a little triangle silver thing. Yeah, that's, that's what I had for my, my jewelry let's let's get into the important questions.

Speaker 2: 31:12

Where's the boss right now upstairs? And how's the grandbaby and how's the grandbaby grandbaby's? Great upstairs one more level as long as those two are okay, then the rest of it's great Upstairs, one more level as long as those two are okay, then the rest of.

Speaker 7: 31:27

it's great. Yeah, I know we're having a great visit with our grandson. It's just been a blessing he's in from. They're just over visiting from the UK. He's eight and a half months now and he's just a fireball. It's great.

Speaker 3: 31:43

He's going so fast. I know, I know he's growing a fireball. It's great he's going so fast.

Speaker 7: 31:45

I know he's growing really fast, yeah, and he's crawling around fast and pulling himself to standing. All that stuff, you know? Yes, that's so exciting.

Speaker 2: 31:56

This is the question that I have. Why did they make you almost likable and then they kill you off? I mean and I don't mean that to be funny like you always had a good couple of one-liners with, with, with donna, you always, you know, every time you saw ellis, you had to like do something to him. This particular season, it seemed like you had kind of came in your own. You finally had to had some parts and and we would have loved to have known what your real backstory was, because you had been there so long yeah yeah um, so what was it like dying through the hole?

Speaker 2: 32:32

I mean, that scene was like crazy, you know, in the works. I mean, how long did that take to to uh, to do the wall scene, or was that all cgi?

Speaker 7: 32:43

No, it wasn't CGI. They did film me doing that, and they did some prosthetic animatronic stuff too. But it took.

Speaker 7: 33:05

I mean, I spent a lot of time with our prosthetics guy and all that and you know, but it it was. And then they filmed me and recorded me, recorded me a couple of times with the sounds and all that, just to you know, the kind of gurgling but how do you gurgle with cement, you know but it was doing all that and and like getting to walk in the tree was actually kind of cool. I was like stepping in the iconic bottle tree. This is great, yeah, you know, because I'm a fan of the show. So I was, like you know, looking at the tree and all that stuff.

Speaker 7: 33:36

This is well, you know it's cool Well we have something for you, cliff.

Speaker 2: 33:43

Oh, we know that. You know you're the most lovable hated person in From, so we put something together. It's not very long, but we put something together and hopefully you'll enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it. Okay, thank you. You don't mess with the faraway tray.

Speaker 7: 34:41

That's great. Thank you, bringing a tear to my eye.

Speaker 3: 34:47

I didn't realize until the day you popped up when we were with Liz, that you, you're the, you're the Scottish guy, you're the one that's Scottish right. Is that what the tie to Scotland is?

Speaker 7: 35:06

Because it sounds like you have a bit of an accent. Oh, yeah, no, no, you might have heard a little bit of Ottawa Valley. Oh, I have Scottish blood. Yes, oh, okay, but no, no, no, it's more. You might be hearing traces of the Ottawa Valley which is about. You know, come from about 100 miles north of Ottawa, oh and yeah, yeah, but up there and they all it's kind of very Irish Scottish enhanced accent, you know and they all say good day, good day. I'm from the valley. Yeah, they had T-shirts, everything the whole bit, because we all say good day, good day, good day.

Speaker 2: 35:47

That's how we greet right we're talking to cliff saunders, aka dale, and he was nice enough to stop by, and I know you've worked with your wife before, but it just seems like when you two get together on screen you just love it. I mean, is it really work? I mean, it just looks like you're just having a ball oh yeah, fooled you.

Speaker 7: 36:09

Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, it's, it's great.

Speaker 7: 36:13

Well, you know, I mean, I think most people will say working with lizzie is, uh, you know, is a treat, so but yeah, it's special for for us because we get to hang out and you know, uh, so, but yeah, it's special for us because we get to hang out and you know, when you're filming, a lot of it, there's a lot of hanging around, even when you're not, you know, in front of the camera.

Speaker 7: 36:33

So, you know, we get to just hang out all the time there and it's interesting, it's a little, it's not odd, but it's a little odd unless you do it all the time, but it's it's. I would say it's a it's a nice treat and it's also. But, but also, working with lizzie is, is a treat because, uh, you know, she gives so much uh in the scenes, right. So and uh, you know, and we haven't actually worked much together in our, in our, our careers at all we met doing a show and then 30, 30 years later, we or not, maybe not 30 yet, but uh, but less than 30, uh, we, you know, the next time we worked together was from.

Speaker 3: 37:17

So oh god yeah, yeah that's funny like all of a sudden, there you are.

Speaker 7: 37:24

There you are together and she's giving me the old right hook.

Speaker 2: 37:27

Well, you know I mean, so now that you're out of the show, you can tell us all the secrets now um the show. What do you do? You think that anybody's gonna get out? I mean because you tried to get out and it puts you into a wall. I mean, and then, with Tabitha being brought back, do you think there is a way? Because you're a fan, I know you're a fan of the show Do you really think somebody's going to survive?

Speaker 7: 37:59

Sure, we got to have hope. I mean, yeah, I mean it's interesting when Harold was in the pool. But just before that I go, look, somebody's got to do it Right. So I do it. So I'm the sacrificial lamb. They should be thanking me.

Speaker 3: 38:21

That seemed to be Dale's attitude about everything. They should be thanking me. I know Like you were like I'm out of here.

Speaker 7: 38:31

We're going you know, well, yeah, because from the townspeople, like from all the people that aren't, haven't seen this tree or haven't, I mean, it seems pretty obvious. It's like what there's a tree, she went through a tree and she got out and then they said, well, no, actually he took it to a lighthouse. Okay, well, let's get to the lighthouse. How do you get a lighthouse? You go through the tree. You know, it seems pretty simple and pretty obvious. You know, um, the people, dale doesn't have the information, the, the, the information, that that you know the viewers have and and and they don't, and also he. But but also you know why? Why should I listen to to to Boyd? You know, like what? We've been listening to him for a long time. I'm tired of it. It's not helping us. She went through, she got through, right, she got through. But's not helping us. She went through, she got through, right, she got through.

Speaker 3: 39:26

But she also came back. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 7: 39:30

Yeah, but what else do I say? Before I go in the tree, I said, well, I'm you know. I mean, I say you know, like well, what you have done. Well, I said, well, I wouldn't have taken a day trip to the park, I would have gotten, you know. And I say, look, I'm going to go out and I'm going to get help and get you guys back, Right, yeah, so I mean, from the innocence of what people know, you know, but the viewers, you know, it's easy to forget that. But these people in town, they go what. There's a tree you can go through. And she got through. She got back there. Yeah, she just screwed up, you know, it's like, but okay, well, let's figure this out. I was a little. He always wanted to help, right, he always wanted to help. He's misunderstood Just saying this earlier. You know, when he's sitting on the stairs in season one, the party scene and the blood drips on his hand, he's talking about. You know, if they just listen to me, you know I can help, right, Nobody will listen to me.

Speaker 7: 40:31

And then Smiley looks over at the dancer. But you know right.

Speaker 3: 40:35

He was eager to listen to you.

Speaker 7: 40:37

Yeah. He's eager he wanted to do a little more than listen. How was that?

Speaker 2: 40:49

Going back to that, that season one scene. You know everybody was like it sounded like all the cast sounded like they were just so pumped to see that one drop. How was it to see Smiley for that first time and the whole chaos of it all as an actor?

Speaker 7: 41:03

It was interesting actually, because the looking up, they kept switching who was looking over the balcony? Because I think they hadn't decided yet. And then, of course, smiley just you know, smiley happened right it's gotta be, it's gotta be smiley, right. But because at one time it was a girl, right, might have been the girl that had the keys. I think it might have been her.

Speaker 5: 41:32

Yeah.

Speaker 7: 41:33

You know what I mean. Like it was there I can't remember exactly who it was because it was a few years ago, but yeah, and then it was like no, no, I think they had ideas of who it was going to be. But it was cool though that, because then we had to run through all through the house and you know, we got run past the cameras like uh, in panic and everybody's panic, and it was tons of people that day.

Speaker 2: 41:56

It was pretty wild so one of our favorite uh theorists asked is do you think the bottle, the bottle, the numbers on the in the bottles and the trees mean anything?

Speaker 7: 42:11

Yeah, yeah, okay, he says I wonder what the thing he, I think to me, I don't know. Well, jade's Jade thinks they're dates, right, right, and I, he and, and he has a reason to think that, right, and he has a reason to think that, right, yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:28

Because he keeps seeing all these freaky, freaky people all the time.

Speaker 7: 42:32

Yeah, from past times right. Yeah. And you know what. Here's the thing. Right, I don't know what's happening because I didn't read anything after this and I didn't ask Lizzie, Even when I was doing the show I didn't. I would only ask if I wouldn't read episodes that I wasn't in, but I'd only ask if I felt like, should I be knowing something here? Then she'd say oh, by the way, that is about this that was brought up there Because I'm a fan of the show. I don't want to know.

Speaker 7: 43:13

I want to be like you guys, right? So I try to only know what I need to know. So what happens after this? I don't know. So all I can say is I know everything you guys know. Well, that's good. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. So all I can say is I know? Everything you guys know.

Speaker 2: 43:27

Well, that's good yeah yeah, because we don't know.

Speaker 7: 43:30

So the numbers about Jade, right, and there's the guy with the spike in the eye, that's from a certain time period, there's all this stuff, so I can understand why he thinks they're dates. I don't know if they are, I'm not sure, but the 26, what was it?

Speaker 3: 43:49

26, it was 25 69, and I'm looking at it like all right, so two, five, there's a three number difference. Right, then one number from five to six, and then six to nine, there's three again. So I'm like okay, so that would mean it would be 10, and then 13, 14, like you know what I mean, like no is there a pattern? Or is it? Oh yeah, yeah, the 25th day of whatever month in in 69, so is it 1600,? 17, 18, 1900?.

Speaker 7: 44:28

Yeah, if that's the date. If that's a date, 2659, is it Terran? Yeah, it's Terran, the date is 2659. Then this is going to be a long running series.

Speaker 3: 44:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:48

I hope it is.

Speaker 7: 44:49

That means this town's going to go until hundreds of years. It did, obviously, if you're seeing colonizing people, not colonizing colonists or whatever.

Speaker 2: 45:01

Yeah, no, I know, and that was the other thing. We're speculating. Is there another group that died that was in those colonial type houses? Were they slave quarters? Were they, were they, they weren't slave quarters.

Speaker 3: 45:18

Those were not slave quarters, okay.

Speaker 7: 45:22

Didn't look like that.

Speaker 2: 45:23

I just thought it was a little village that needed yeah I was thinking of scarlet letter, but that's my own thing, yeah I mean, that's what it looks like, it's scarlet letter.

Speaker 7: 45:32

But they had scarlet rocks. Okay, no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2: 45:37

Remember when he was taking a leak so how fun was it working with David Cause it just seems like he's he's cause we've never had him on the podcast. Well, hopefully we're going to be interviewing him in a couple of weeks, but he seems like he's like crazy fun to be with.

Speaker 7: 45:57

He's a great. I loved working with him. We talked, we talked a lot about cooking, but but I but, but no, I loved working with him. I was glad that we got scenes together because we're both kind of the smart asses and you know like we both annoy people and have, you know, little quippy, funny one-liners and all that stuff. I mean, other people do too. But it was so. It was nice having the two with the attitudes working off each other. It was, it was a, it was a blast. He's a great guy, really great guy, and a fantastic actor. So it was a blast.

Speaker 2: 46:39

Yeah, one of these days we're going to get them on here. That's that.

Speaker 3: 46:41

That's the goal, lizzie why do you think it was Dale? Yeah, dale, that was. Wait a minute, I'm kidding. Yeah, dale. Why do you think it was Dale, out of everyone in the town? Why do you think it was Dale that was like I am getting out of here, because he makes a stand in the diner in front of everybody and he obviously followed Tabitha and Jade out to that tree. Why do you think it was him?

Speaker 7: 47:20

Because because he's been, it's been building that he's wants to help and nobody will listen to him. He wants to help and nobody will listen to him. I think also because he's stubborn, he's a bit of a know-it-all so to, and he's not afraid to speak his mind. So in the town, him speaking up, you know he gets into it and you know, I mean, he's obviously tends to lose his patience sometimes, I think you know. So I think probably that and also but I think it really stems from because he has season one has always wanted to help.

Speaker 2: 48:14

He's always he's saying look at, I can, I can do something but you know, you think he had his chance before boyd was there before boyd was there we were.

Speaker 7: 48:24

We were hiding in holes yeah we were like every night and we go, you know, uh, there was a little bit when we were in that hole there there was yeah, no, I remember, and then you were, you were with with boyd and his wife and ellis and donna yeah, yeah they. They showed up, we were in the hole and cotri grabbed them, put it, put it in the hole, uh, brought the family into the hole, uh, donna and I and Katri. So we were just like hiding in holes at the time.

Speaker 3: 48:59

If that was real, I just couldn't imagine what that would have been like. If that was like real, you're driving and then you're in a hole with three strangers that look seemingly normal. And then you're in a hole with three strangers that look seemingly normal, you know, do you know how? So that means you, dale, was there longer than Donna.

Speaker 7: 49:23

Do you know how long? I don't know who was there first between Donna and Dale, I'm not sure, but they were probably closer around the same time, I would say.

Speaker 3: 49:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So why do you think they didn't get together? Sure, but they were probably closer around the same time. I would say, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're.

Speaker 2: 49:34

Obviously they didn't get together because, she wanted to punch him more than she wanted to kiss him that's right, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 7: 49:45

I mean, I I think, um, maybe, uh, well, I, I have a feeling that Donna's not necessarily interested at the moment or there in getting in a relationship, especially not with an idiot like me, which incidentally, I think she's been with this idiot for over 30 years, right. Did you just?

Speaker 2: 50:10

say the anniversary no.

Speaker 7: 50:16

I say that to my single day. I like, you know, I like also, like not everybody has to be in the you know a relationship and also you know there she's got a lot because donna kind of running colony house and that she got a lot of things on her mind. Last thing she needs is me breathing down her neck.

Speaker 2: 50:32

But yeah, I, I will say this, I think it was in season two, because I was actually when I was putting this together, I was seeing your, your greatest hits, so to speak, and um and again, folks that just joined us we're speaking with, uh, cliff saunders, aka dale you, you made very good points. Honestly, there was no food. They were doing exactly what you said, what they were doing, which was moving food around, and you know all that kind of stuff. It's just, it's just really surprising. You know, you did have value. It was just you were in the right church, maybe the wrong pew. Yeah, that's fair to say, you did have value.

Speaker 7: 51:12

It was just you were in the right church, maybe the wrong pew? Yeah, if that's fair to say, and also sometimes it's harder to kind of take annoying people seriously.

Speaker 3: 51:22

Yeah, yeah, you're just wanting them to shut up sometimes, you know.

Speaker 7: 51:28

So and and also, but I mean, you think about it. There's, um, I didn't get put in the box, right, everyone is going to be put in a box and they even it's in the script. They're asking you know, is it going to be put in a box? I didn't, but, and Donna, you know, donna, there was a scene with Donna and I in room and I said you know, I'm not wrong about that, and also I even admit that Ellis is, you know, he's not a bad kid and all that stuff. But you know all that stuff. But she's like she's trying to figure out what you're going to do with me, because we have history, we go way back and you know, I think the only reason he's not in the box is because of Donna. Yeah, and maybe also.

Speaker 7: 52:20

I think also, and because of Boyd doesn't want to, you know he doesn't want to have to do that again.

Speaker 2: 52:26

No, so why do you think they're so upset with the police officer? And the reason I say this, this is and we're going to get into this like she shoots. She shoots Nikki, and in this by accident, but in colony house they wrapped, they strapped you down for 24 hours before you even get released, because they're worried that something's going to happen to you. Nikki like opens the window or the the shade, the cops just reacting and and then in this episode, boyd's like I'm not here to protect you, I'm just here to you know. And it's like wait a second, what is the love here?

Speaker 3: 53:10

because I just sorry no, no, she was actually shooting at the college professor. The college professor was standing between her and the house. Nikki looked out the window at just the wrong moment that she, you know, because she shot in that direction uh, yeah, I, I.

Speaker 7: 53:30

I seem to recall that she said and the window opens, she sees somebody and just shoots because she's freaked out. She's freaked out. It was interesting also the whole thing with cops being scared and shooting. But anyway, that's a whole other thing, that's nothing. But yeah, I think it was that. Yes, of course it was like you know you come into this. Of course it was like she, you know that you come into this world, you go like you know, you don't know. But it's the people in the colony house. I think, yeah, why? Why were they upset with her? I think, uh, because she shot their somebody, one of theirs oh, I get it.

Speaker 7: 54:08

But with boyd he that stuff. But then you saw him afterwards, right, you saw him dealing with what he just said and you could tell I mean Harold's such a good actor that suddenly you saw him going, going like why did I say that? I know, you know, like you saw it all in his look and he didn't have any lines there. He spoke up against her because he was upset, he was, you know, losing control, all this kind of stuff, and he didn't want to kind of, and she's coming in and you know, I think he's because he's trying to, he's lost control and she's coming up on her first day to have this big answer Right, which is, you know, good advice and all that. But he's just, he's tried stuff before and you know things aren't working for him, I think. So he's just like pissed off and but you saw the, it was his look after the. It's one like he.

Speaker 2: 55:11

He said that because in some kind of slight logic, but you knew he didn't believe it well, we do have one thing, and then I'll let lizzie so she can get in front of me yeah, I'm glad you're watching uh, you know we would love this is actually kind of something neat if the writers written, wrote, wrote in like instead of a father cotri, uh, boyd situation, a donna dale situation, yeah yeah, I know you're and a lot of people are saying that too.

Speaker 7: 55:42

That would be fun.

Speaker 2: 55:43

Yeah, sure so that being said, I'm gonna let her. Let her get in front of me, so I don't get in trouble.

Speaker 3: 55:53

So All right. So when Dale comes up to the tree, or just before Dale comes up to the tree, we've got Tabitha and Jade at the tree. Jade is trying to pull down bottles and Tabitha is looking at the pieces of paper inside the bottles and they can't, you know, figure out what the deal is. Tabitha is just like it's not a date and and jade, rightfully so, is saying they're numbers, they mean something, it's not just random stuff, unless it's there to drive him crazy, um, or to really make his analytical, analytical mind go nuts. But here's the thing now. Christine said, um, christine in the chat group said something, you know, to this effect, and I'm just adding on, I was thinking the same thing. So they've pulled down the bottles. In a sense could have disrupted the balance of the tree, you know, because the bottles are no longer there and they have some purpose that they're hanging there.

Speaker 3: 56:59

So dale comes up and he's packed and ready to go and there's a couple of things at play here. Dale wants to get in thinking that automatically he's just going to go right home like they. You know, yeah, yeah, talitha ended up in camden, you know, nowhere near arizona, where they went, you know, disappearing from. So you know he has no real idea where he's going to pop out. On the other side, he could end up in Siberia, for all we know.

Speaker 3: 57:34

So he takes a chance and goes into the tree and perhaps because the tree had been disrupted and disturbed, he didn't go anywhere, you know, out of from, but he ends up in the pool. Out of from, but he ends up in the pool. And the plan all along was, once people found out where that tree was like, maybe only certain people are meant to find the tree, but once he found out where the tree was, the powers that be and from had to make him an example and have him be trapped in the pool, like in like this awful, awful scenario where he can see what's going on. He knows he's trapped in the wall of the pool and he can't go anywhere. And, you know boy pulls out his gun and he's going gonna put you out of your or put dale out of his misery, but he kind of like he can't do it.

Speaker 2: 58:36

But on top of it, dale dies right then and there like, and it looked like he was being crushed somehow I'm a little mad at you right now, because if I saw you in that situation, honest to god, I'd want to like start picking the rocks.

Speaker 3: 58:54

I don't know why they didn't start trying to break the wall.

Speaker 7: 58:59

I got concrete. I'm like infused in concrete.

Speaker 2: 59:02

I think it's just I didn't notice that part of it.

Speaker 7: 59:06

Yeah, I think it's kind of almost in my like part of my mouth, all that stuff. Yeah, since I'm part of the concrete. Yeah, I think that it's infused, yeah, but yeah, I know.

Speaker 3: 59:23

Yeah, I think it was the 40s. It was for some time during the Cold War. The Navy was doing research and they were trying to make ships invisible and I can't recall the name of the actual ship and you know whether or not this is true or not, who knows but they made this, this one ship, invisible for like a couple of seconds, you know, and it was full of sailors. When it came back and was no longer invisible and was visible, there were sailors embedded into the steel and that's what it reminded me of, or what you, you know, dale, reminded me of being embedded into that pool wall yeah all I know, is.

Speaker 7: 1:00:17

That's crazy yeah, yeah, some people like to swim in the ocean. I like to swim in a pool, the manhattan project in philadelphia, wasn't that?

Speaker 3: 1:00:29

that was the manhattan had to do with the bomb, so I don't think. But it was in philadelphia, christine, I could, I don't know, uh, that's really now.

Speaker 7: 1:00:41

I want to check that out.

Speaker 3: 1:00:42

The other question I have, I know if you listen to paranormal, like podcasts or whatever, that story will come up every so often. Um, and I've heard it. Um, yeah, christine is saying from philly and she still lives there. Apparently she wasn't on that ship, unless she's stuck in a wall. Um, and daphne is saying that she didn't expect you to end up in the pool. That was like. That was so genius. Yeah, because it totally discourages everybody from wanting to get into that tree yeah, it was yeah, well, no, exactly when it happens, I mean it's, it's exactly, that's the whole.

Speaker 7: 1:01:27

I mean there's a few things that, uh, things that the From world in this episode has done that is going to kind of dictate how they you know what's his name's face, right, and they say it's so that we're reminded in the daytime, we pretend in the day that we're just living a normal life, and now we got a reminder that no, we're not, and there's that. And now the thing with and they put me in the you know, the pool right there, but that that he has to go.

Speaker 7: 1:02:01

Okay, everybody, we can't, you can't, just go in the tree If you want to go in the tree look and he says, because he tried to warn us, right and uh, but, like you know, I mean we're going like come on. But he said I went in a one of those trees and I ended up in a well in the you know ground or whatever. Yeah, so, uh, but we're kind of going. Uh, yeah, but I'm going in a tree, tabitha went in and I'm gonna get to, you know yeah, because we don't know that he went into the same tree.

Speaker 3: 1:02:31

I don't remember their bottles being there when he went into a tree yeah, I think he said.

Speaker 7: 1:02:36

I think he says that he was a different tree, but that there's a tree they can say there's.

Speaker 3: 1:02:40

There's certain trees, some trees out there that are different, right, right because I, him and sarah, went into it and it just know I had this thought like do the monsters only want live meat, or would they come out and, you know, make you an hors d'oeuvre, like try to pick at you like a, you know, like a dip, a Dale dip, we'll find out after the next episode?

Speaker 2: 1:03:10

Yeah, no, but I just think that you know, this year especially and I know your wife posted this on her Instagram the FX have been unbelievable this year. Like you know, the first season, you maybe saw one monster when in the box. And now they're, they're, they're going into that, they're, they're coming up with stuff. That is crazy. I mean, when you read that and you're like I'm in the wall, what were you thinking? Like, what the heck are they doing to me? And that's a, that's a great gag.

Speaker 7: 1:03:47

Yeah, well, I was. I was thinking it's like okay, they, they've given me a really cool. Yes, they're killing me, but they've given me the cool death. It's like this is that was really cool. Yeah, people are going like jesus. What a way to go and also memorable, you know absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:04:07

I mean this year we've lost. We've lost you and Mrs Lou, and well, nikki.

Speaker 3: 1:04:14

Yeah, that's great, didn't I say there'd be a lot of?

Speaker 7: 1:04:18

Nikki was on. The character was on just before she was on.

Speaker 2: 1:04:21

Samara and the woman that plays Clara.

Speaker 3: 1:04:25

Yeah, so I just want to say, for anyone that ends up listening to this as a podcast, the experiment was called the Philadelphia experiment. Um, and I just emailed that to you, cliff, so that you can look at it later, and I'm trying to scroll up to to see who um told us that, but I can't told us that, but I can't so.

Speaker 2: 1:04:56

did they tell your wife that you were dying to get the reaction more authentic, or did she know?

Speaker 7: 1:05:02

No, she knew, she's just a good actress. But yeah, I know that's a, she's just that good.

Speaker 3: 1:05:10

I loved her reaction in there.

Speaker 7: 1:05:10

It seemed like Donna was into Dale at that good, I loved her reaction in there.

Speaker 3: 1:05:13

It seemed like Donna was into Dale at that moment.

Speaker 7: 1:05:18

Like she was going to miss him. Oh yeah, well, you know, even you could have. You know, yes, I'm a pain, but we go way back, we go. You know we're hiding in holes together. Yeah, for a long time.

Speaker 3: 1:05:32

Yeah, so Christine, jellybean is the one that shared that with us. So thanks Christine. Thanks, christine, and you're welcome, taryn, let's see. So Crap, what the heck was I going to?

Speaker 2: 1:05:51

ask. You're the one that's got the heck. Was I going to ask? I don't know You're the one that's got the question. I know I've got the question. The oil machine, just like From, is, as you can tell.

Speaker 3: 1:06:01

Do you know what Dale's backstory was Like? Where was he coming from, and like how where he was when he?

Speaker 7: 1:06:10

landed there, like how, where he was when he landed there. It would have been like an accountant, not an exciting accountant, he would have been a going concern, probably drove everyone nuts in the office Always. You know, what are they doing? What are they doing? What are they doing? You know, I would say he had a very kind of uh, very non-eventful life and, uh, it's interesting that he chose colony house to live, you know, because he's going like that's, you know, the the party scene, as it were, or whatever. He kind of a chance for him to reinvent himself, even though you still have your traits right. But I would say that dale was, you know, not a not a fun person to be. Well, maybe he was, but he's just like you know, judgmental and, you know, always looking to see what other people are doing oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:07:11

Yeah, he's like get off my lawn kind of guy, but he wants to know whether he has to be part of the party.

Speaker 7: 1:07:16

Yeah, but then, uh, you know, so he tried to, I think, kind of tries to reinvent himself for a bit. You know, going to colony house and you know, uh, I think that's that, that, that, that that's my, my, my take on it. You know, otherwise, why would dale be at colony house? Right, he's just like you know, he's wearing the necklaces because you can see how I'm dressed. You see how I'm dressed when we come out of the hole right. I got the vest and the you know yeah yeah, yeah, not sure, very non-assuming.

Speaker 7: 1:07:51

you know beiges, a lot of beige. And then I put on a flowery shirt and a couple of necklaces, you know, and wearing, you know, Converse sneakers.

Speaker 2: 1:08:04

You're just a hip guy. I'm trying to be hip, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: 1:08:07

So what's next for you?

Speaker 2: 1:08:10

What's next for you, Cliff? What else you got on the fire in terms of projects these days?

Speaker 7: 1:08:16

What do?

Speaker 2: 1:08:16

I have.

Speaker 7: 1:08:18

I've been kind of involved in some like they're developing some new plays and all that up here and so I've been kind of helping out with that a bit. And what do I? I don't have anything particular, do I? Sometimes I say this I go yeah, I got nothing, and I go no, wait a minute.

Speaker 2: 1:08:42

You guys are up for an award for your, your, your billionaire oil. Oh big oil, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: 1:08:49

That was fun. That's the reason I did that together.

Speaker 2: 1:08:54

That. Oh yeah yeah. That's the reason I did that together. That was fun, that was a. That was a fun I I saw that you guys got you. You guys are at the baltimore film festival or something oh yeah yeah I I I I think she posted something. I know.

Speaker 7: 1:09:03

I know she's on top of it yeah, I know I'm really bad with social media. I felt like I I want to kind of do something, but I'm so uh, yeah, I'm not, I'm not very good, that's okay hey you know what.

Speaker 2: 1:09:16

That's why you have a wife that that knows how to do it. Yeah, yeah, and you know. But, like you said, you, you came on memorable and you've left memorable. So we were just, we're just really glad that we got to, we got to talk to you as well as talk to the boss, so to speak, the last time we got to speak. And you know, I think you know I'm looking at all these things. Everybody loves you. They love to hate me. I love Dale.

Speaker 2: 1:09:47

Even though he was irritating, he's great on the show, you know. I mean, it's just really neat because, like we were saying to the ladies before, as you all know, being a career actor, you don't need a lot of lines to be considered. You know, iconic Smiley proved that, as well as jasmine proved that in here, you know, on this show, um, but, like they said, all the, all the characters, we, that's the problem, you know, it's like who's gonna die? And we're like we don't want anybody to die, and I think coming out with, uh, with liz moy, mrs Liu, having her die right off the bat, it's a different world, the writers are really.

Speaker 7: 1:10:37

I hated that. I hated that. Well, everybody hated that.

Speaker 2: 1:10:40

Nobody saw that coming. I mean nobody saw that coming, and I mean we were all on the internet with the trailer. Is it Tabitha? Is it this person? Is it that person? And then we saw the plate. Um that was it.

Speaker 2: 1:10:57

we saw the plate on the trailer when everybody was, uh, doing the memorial service and, um, you know it, it kind of sealed it for us. But I know, I know you figured it out. Yeah, lizzie, lizzie asked this question to the ladies before how was it in the diner with that whole? Everybody was in that diner and that was probably one of the first times that there was so many of the cast members in one place. Yeah, how was that? I mean, was that kind of neat, or you know, just getting to see everybody?

Speaker 7: 1:11:30

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was excellent. Well, the two, the two kids, were smoking dope in the basement calling out, we're gonna get to that, of course you have to point that out, dale, yeah but uh, no, it was uh, um it it was great, it was great being around everybody, uh and uh, I mean the scene was great because, well, I had you know I was one of the kind of more involved people in the scene, so everybody's involved. But I had you know, I had my share.

Speaker 3: 1:12:00

You had the big stand, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: 1:12:03

Yeah, so I was kind of the the protagonist, I guess in in that scene, so it was fun for me oh of course.

Speaker 7: 1:12:14

It was a fun scene, everybody. You know um and robert joy, I worked with him years ago, uh, in the movie we went to germany and uh, uh, also when we went, oh yeah, and halifax, we shot it in germany and halifax, uh, but I, I so I remember working with him and then seeing him when I was doing theater and on Broadway and he was there doing a play too, so it's bumping them there, so it was really great seeing him.

Speaker 2: 1:12:40

You know, now on this show, you know he's a great guy, excellent, and you know yeah, we had a chance to interview him and you don't realize, like when you're doing your, your, your homework, I mean, he's been in everything.

Speaker 2: 1:12:53

Oh, he's his career is just like yeah, I mean desperately, I know that face yeah yeah, it's like desperately seeking susan, what are, what are, world, I mean it's like it's like your whole childhood is like going in front of you kind of thing, but uh, but it's neat how they really have embraced the community, meaning like the, the uh, nova scotia actors, you know they've they've really had a lot of background and um, you know, I just I just find it fascinating and and I can't wait to get myself up there one of these days. You know, we got as close as maine but we, we haven't, we didn't get over the border.

Speaker 7: 1:13:29

Where are?

Speaker 2: 1:13:30

you at. I live in New Jersey. Oh, okay, I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 7: 1:13:35

Yeah, I'm kidding, jersey Jersey.

Speaker 2: 1:13:39

It's funny, it's funny. It's my mom. She's from Brooklyn and every time she used to talk to my grandmother. We talked to her every Saturday, and she'd be like I'm like, oh, you talk to grandma, yeah, how, every Saturday. And she'd be like I'm like, oh, you talked to grandma.

Speaker 7: 1:13:53

Yeah, how'd you know? Because she started talking like she's from Brooklyn. You know, the accent comes back, it comes back really easy.

Speaker 2: 1:13:57

It comes back, so so easy and you know, but but yeah, no, hopefully we can get you guys when you guys are in New York or in that in this area we are. We are really hoping I know Lizzie is that you guys are going to start doing the Comic-Con scene, like not just California but all the other type of stuff. Because, you know, we feel like we know all of you and I know we don't, but within reason and it's just. Like you know, Liz was one of our first. She was our first interview.

Speaker 7: 1:14:28

Oh, wow, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:14:30

She was the one that responded first our first interview. So, oh, wow, yeah, she was the one that responded first and and so whatever, whatever the queen wants we, we let her, you know whatever she wants.

Speaker 2: 1:14:39

it's always. Yes, um, queen b, she, she, she has proven, and I, and I've said this and I know I've said it in front of her, but I also say it to you, obviously, obviously, uh, harold, obviously Harold and Katrina have done a great job, but your wife should be right with them with all those nominations, and so should, so, should, so should, scott, and, and they they're killing it. I mean, it's just a matter of time.

Speaker 3: 1:15:09

It really is just a matter of time.

Speaker 2: 1:15:12

And nothing. Nothing would make me happier to say I knew. It's just a matter of time. It really is just a matter of time, yeah, and nothing would make me happier to say I knew her when, yeah, but no, I mean, I want to thank you so much, cliff, for taking your time. I know you had to go through the car wash with a bunch of different shows today and we really appreciate you taking the time.

Speaker 2: 1:15:31

Yeah today and, um, we really appreciate you taking the time, yeah, and um, lizzie, do you have any? Uh, any other things that?

Speaker 3: 1:15:38

you want to grill him on at the moment? No, but I know I'm gonna have a half a dozen afterwards.

Speaker 2: 1:15:44

I don't want to because you know it's late. I know it's late. Thank you so much for taking the time and we will talk to you soon and hopefully, when you're the ghost of Clifford, when you're the ghost of Dale's past, we'll have you back on. You're always welcome on well.

Speaker 7: 1:15:59

Thank you very much. It's a pleasure seeing you again you got it and give our best to. Liz okay.

Speaker 2: 1:16:06

I will, I will enjoy the baby oh yeah, the best part of the day better than dying.

Speaker 7: 1:16:11

I will All right, we'll see you soon. Enjoy the baby.

Speaker 2: 1:16:12

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's so great to have you. I can see you right there. The best part of the day Better than dying. It's always good to see the grandbaby, for sure.

Speaker 7: 1:16:18

All right, we'll see you later.

Speaker 2: 1:16:19

Thank you so much. It's Cliff Saunders and there he goes through the hole oh my God, he's too much.

Speaker 2: 1:16:30

I love him. All he has to do is just get out of here, go through the hole, press the button and he's done. That's all he has to do. Yeah, but wait, let me just. I'm just going to kick him out even though he's in. Oh no, you just have to hold on hold on no-transcript or kill the page. There you go. I just want to make sure he got out. So, folks, thank you so much for your patience on that. I know this was a we, we.

Speaker 2: 1:17:06

We got a little sidetracked, but we still got some stuff to do and I knew this was going to happen, but we have to talk about a bunch of different things.

Speaker 3: 1:17:15

Yeah, like we need to talk about some highlights from this episode. We covered the tree. We did cover the tree. But the other big thing is Victor reuniting with his dad.

Speaker 2: 1:17:30

Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 1:17:34

And how emotional was that Like. Now I can't remember where I saw it, but Scott had been interviewed. Wait a minute, I know where I saw it, but Scott had been interviewed. Wait a minute, I know where I saw it. It was our interview with.

Speaker 3: 1:17:45

Scott this week, hello, and he was talking about this scene and how he wanted to play it and that there was precious little written on the script for this scene. Precious little written on the script for the scene and I think it was just the one line, with no direction whatsoever, and he just worked it out, that he and Robert Joy just worked it out and it was so amazingly touching. And it was so amazingly touching, like you know, henry looks at Victor and he's like that's my son, that's my grown son.

Speaker 2: 1:18:43

And you know, for Victor seeing his father.

Speaker 2: 1:18:45

You know as an elderly man, because Victor is on the cusp of being elderly himself. And here they are, looks worse than his father. Well, yeah, with good reason. No, I'm just saying he's just like holy cow, and and then when you see that he's so young, I mean he's, he's our age, I mean yeah, um, he's 50s, and and you look what they did to him. I mean, like I said before earlier in the podcast, I had a hard time with that and it wasn't in a bad way, it's just. I just had a hard time with the fact that, you know, I lost my dad when I was very young. So if I had a chance, or he had a chance, to see what I am, I know I would be. I don't know. If I had a chance, or had a chance, to see what I am, I know I would be. I don't know if I'd want to meet on, because I'm not the person that I would want, you know I might not be the person that, alex, your dad, would, be so no, but, no, no.

Speaker 2: 1:19:31

I'm not, I don't mean it like that. I'm just saying those are the kind of emotions that you, you have to think about when you're when you haven't seen someone. I mean I totally understand. At the time when I was watching this episode I didn't understand it, but I love how Sarah really kind of works through the whole thing with him, Because, again, she's the scariest person from I know and it has turned out to be like this tender little relationship between them.

Speaker 3: 1:19:58

It's, you know victor is is very honest, you know. You know, by saying that to her, you know you're the scariest person, I mean, some people would be like, oh, I'm the scariest person you haven't seen, you know? Um, but we think about how Victor has gone through these three seasons. Like the first season he was paired up a lot with Ethan. Then last season he was paired up with Tabitha and now his buddy is Sarah.

Speaker 2: 1:20:34

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:20:36

So it's just it's. It's almost like Victor is going through stages in his life by who is he best paired up with?

Speaker 2: 1:20:49

at this point I have a question for the people still listening and there's a lot of people still on there and folks you know, I want to thank you so much because we're going a little bit later than we normally are, but and we're talking season three, episode five, the light of day and do you think Victor will actually mature in the show now that his father is back, meaning that he's got this rock that he had before? And yes, there's going to be some ups and downs, but do you think that he might have a chance to?

Speaker 3: 1:21:28

um, not, um age more into an adult yeah, I'm saying mine, I'm saying mine clearly because it was interesting watching his dad inspect the room.

Speaker 3: 1:21:44

You know like it was the room. Some of it was confusing, but most of it was a young boy. But victor hadn't gotten past that and you know that painting that was like this and it was white. That you finally, if you're about to be reunited with your son and you see something he's created and it's terrifying, you know, now that his dad is back, there will be some maturing, but he's still going to be a kid. That part of him will always be there because of the trauma he's been through. I agree, agree, john, I was just looking for you, um, and mary said yeah, he's stunted. I think he's already started to mature, especially thanks to tabitha. So, yeah, definitely he'll get some peace and we'll be more connected to reality.

Speaker 3: 1:22:37

Um, I think also I don't know how anyone connects to reality there.

Speaker 2: 1:22:42

I think wait before we get to Julie. I think the fact that there's actual people other than just the boy in white, it's going to make him more mature yeah, he has more people to talk to.

Speaker 3: 1:22:56

Victor will forever be stuck in a state of arrested development emotionally still a child in a man's body, due to the extreme trauma. Having his dad there will help him process the trauma a bit. I agree with that. I do think that it would be unrealistic to expect him to all of a sudden be this man this man, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:23:24

Oh no, that's the case. I just think that there's gonna be.

Speaker 3: 1:23:27

There's gonna be something that he's got to get more mature just by happenstance. And um, it was a thing that he, um, he has an opportunity to be happy like we've never have we seen him smile. I don't think we've ever seen him smile, not once maybe, maybe once, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:23:46

Maybe he laughed once. Oh wait, let's see what daphne has to say. Um, I think his dad is going to wait. What is this can?

Speaker 3: 1:23:55

you just read this one his own changes too yeah oh my gosh. This place will change him, but victor will be able to work with him. What if they kill his dad right away?

Speaker 2: 1:24:05

I I will say I don't know if I can deal with that. Yeah, because that's just. You know what that's. That's beyond mean. Yeah, that's beyond mean. Like I, you know what, like I, I, I don't even want to, I don't even want to think about that and I'm not going to lie. If that does happen, I have to really like that's going to be. No, I don't want to deal with that.

Speaker 3: 1:24:31

Yeah, all right, so let's see.

Speaker 2: 1:24:36

Do you want to go backwards a little bit, because we need so I just I tried to minimize my notes a little bit this week.

Speaker 3: 1:24:48

What were you going to say?

Speaker 2: 1:24:50

No, I was going to say do you want to go back to Colony House while everybody was doing the big meeting?

Speaker 3: 1:24:57

Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:24:59

Yeah, Julie is trying to escape for her demons, or rather, um, escape the screaming that she constantly hears, and apparently marijuana dulls that and she doesn't hear it so much. So her and Elgin get high and then they go down to do the dress up montage in the basement and I can't help it. Anytime we go back in time with something, I'm always wondering is that period correct? And I remember, you know, I was a kid in the 80s. I was in high school. I don't remember scrunchies. I don't remember scrunchies until late 80s. So I mean, I was in high school in the early 80s and then young. I don't remember when scrunchies came around, but I do remember that was quite a thing.

Speaker 2: 1:26:00

Well, I know we have a couple of people of that ilk. I don't remember when scrunchies came around, but I do remember that was quite a thing. Well, I know we have a couple of people of that ilk like that are Gen Xers From that generation. You know, yeah, scrunchies are very 80s. Yeah, yeah, I knew Daphne. Daphne and I are the same age. But you know, being a boy versus a girl is a completely different world.

Speaker 3: 1:26:19

What you weren't wearing scrunchies.

Speaker 2: 1:26:22

I wasn't, because my hair just wasn't long enough.

Speaker 3: 1:26:25

Yeah Well, whose fault is that? My dad, you couldn't grow it out.

Speaker 2: 1:26:29

He told us you can have long hair as long as it's short, high and tight. But I thought that was really kind of neat that they had their little moment together and I think it's so great that the teenager is smoking pot. You know they're smoking bowls and you know hopefully they'll get a little munchies and you know it'll be great.

Speaker 3: 1:26:51

They don't have tons of food at the moment to have the munchies.

Speaker 2: 1:26:55

Well, they have a lot of rotten food. And if Fatima has anything to say about it, you know yeah, um hands off.

Speaker 3: 1:27:04

So yeah, um, I guess clinic yeah, let's jump over to the clinic, all I really have to say. We know that randall's getting taken care of over there and it kind of surprised me that for one second, boyd thought he could jump in and help out. You know, help Marielle, take care of Randall. Boyd made the choice and is now being torn up about it, see, wait. Huh.

Speaker 2: 1:27:35

I have a problem with this Again. This really pisses me off. I have a problem with this Again. This really pisses me off. It's like I understand Randall was pissed off and he has every reason to be upset, but Boyd is not helping his case. He should have said what happened, meaning he should have said the lady said you can keep taking Randall, like not that he had no choice.

Speaker 3: 1:28:07

But he did he, just he didn't try. He didn't try to do anything for Randall.

Speaker 2: 1:28:13

He had no choice.

Speaker 3: 1:28:19

You can't beat a monster. Oh, what's he? Supposed to do.

Speaker 2: 1:28:21

Take the ambulance and run them all over. Okay, maybe he could have done that.

Speaker 3: 1:28:26

Yeah, I mean, randall would have just had to go flat. Hopefully you would have seen that in time, but you know the way Randall was squirming around down there because of the cicadas. Who knows what were they? The cicadas Cicadas?

Speaker 3: 1:28:43

We should actually make a shortadas cicadas um from boston, boston cicadas um. So he has a conversation with kenny about the food, uh, that they brought a lot back, but there's still more back at at those cabins and I'm like you know. But Kenny's point was that we heard something out there while we were out there. There is definitely something out there. That's twice now. All right. So going from there um over to the Matthews house, over to the Matthews house, jade drops by. You know like they're getting reacquainted with Tabitha now that she's back, they don't really get much of a chance to to talk about anything and Jade does his Jade thing and he is always busting into their house. Wherever they liveade always comes in. This is like the third time he's come in, like he is on fire I I love this scene I just, I just dynamic period, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:30:01

So Jim is, let's see Jim's there he's talking to.

Speaker 2: 1:30:07

Tabitha. All of a sudden Jade walks in and he's like we gotta go. He starts talking to Jade and then they start talking about the tree and he's like it had numbers, like don't you think it would have been an important little fact that? You might want to tell somebody, and then Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 3: 1:30:26

He's got that mind. He's got the problem-solving mind.

Speaker 2: 1:30:30

So those numbers are important because numbers mean something, um, and so the meeting and he has says the greatest line of any time to, to, to, um, um, simon, uh, ethan, ethan, I'm sorry, ethan, um, if there's more than three people at a meeting, it's a waste of time.

Speaker 3: 1:30:58

It's a waste of time, it's so true.

Speaker 2: 1:31:00

It's so true when they come back, oh, it really wasn't that good. And he looks at it. See, kid.

Speaker 3: 1:31:07

No, but it was a joke but it's true, Like anyone that's worked in an office. There's more than three people there and nothing gets done. I swear, but Jim, you know Jim is trying to say we're not going to go out in the woods for this tree, there's nothing to see there and Jade is like what, the magic tree the tree is magic.

Speaker 3: 1:31:30

So the important thing is like anytime Tabitha now takes a walk, there could be someone following her to find out where that tree was. And you know, we know that that did happen with dale, but you were only showing him where the tree is.

Speaker 2: 1:31:53

She's like I'm only going to show him, I'm not going anywhere but she's kind of like harry potter right now, like no matter where she goes, everybody wants to like be with him yeah, yeah, exactly like she's just doing stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:32:06

Um, I julie, yeah, we the. The meeting was unproductive, uh unproductive. So over into the meeting, though, henry starts to explain everything, and I just started thinking. Like you know, henry starts to explain where they're going when Tabitha arrives, and the thing was like my question was are the trees connected? And what I mean by that is that they're on their way to go to that bottle tree, the original bottle tree in the other town when the accident happens. So miranda built two trees, and then there's more than she built three, there's three.

Speaker 2: 1:32:55

There's one in from, there's the original one and then there's the, the replica at his house she didn't build the one in front, did she? I think she did.

Speaker 3: 1:33:07

I'm almost 99 sure she built it no, I think that was the message she kept. That was all part of like the drawings the paintings and stuff I'm going to have to go back.

Speaker 2: 1:33:20

Yeah, that said, there are three trees. That we know she did at least two.

Speaker 3: 1:33:33

I'm wondering if there's some connections, because if Tabitha went through that tree, is that why she ended up in Camden? Because there was another tree in Camden that just happened to be where Henry was.

Speaker 2: 1:33:51

And wait a second. There's there's two bottle trees in Frumville.

Speaker 3: 1:33:57

I think there are more than one. Yeah, ok, I think there's one than one, yeah, okay. I think there are more than one. I don't know, I'm remembering another one, because this one I thought, it might be the same one.

Speaker 2: 1:34:11

That's why I thought it was the same one it's different. Yeah, but I think it's because of the bottle tree that Miranda Julie brought to the table that we don't know how many and they don't know but but. And then Mary is saying the one that Boyd and Sarah found. But right, exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:34:37

That's why.

Speaker 2: 1:34:38

I'm thinking tree. I thought it was the same tree, but you know what, guys? It's 11 30 at night. It's 11 30 at night right here, so I don't even know what bottle I'm supposed to be drinking.

Speaker 3: 1:34:49

I'm just thinking the bottle tree is why she ended up in maine, in camden, maine. That's why I think, like maybe you jump from bottle tree to bottle tree in a sense. Um, so let's see, um, henry stuck up for Tabitha saying he thought she was out of her mind because when they were talking about you know why didn't, why didn't Tabitha say something? I mean, if some woman came to us and was saying something like that, we would think she was nuts. I mean, how many times have we encountered someone that is a bit challenged? And me, I am challenged. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2: 1:35:38

Wait, I'm doing this too, Folks. I'm'm doing this too, don't folks?

Speaker 3: 1:35:44

I'm also doing this too we're challenged, we're special, I know, but the thing is both miranda and um. The only reason that that henry realized that there was something more it wasn't a crazy lady was because both Miranda and Tabitha were talking about the children in the tower and I love how he explains Well.

Speaker 2: 1:36:08

He's like well, we had kind of a different circumstance because of the pictures, but people, you have to remember, and we keep going back to this, the theme of this season is hope, Right, I mean, let's just, let's just call it what it is. It's all about getting hope. You know, that's that's always been with, whether it's the radio or it's this or that. Right now, every little threat of hope has either killed somebody or whatever. It killed dale. It killed. It killed mrs lou because she tried to save it killed. It's breaking boyd, right, yeah, because he had to watch mrs lou die. Plus, he's trying to, he's trying to get all these pieces together. No matter what he does, he keeps getting. It's like he's in quicksand right now. Yeah, you know you know, papa.

Speaker 3: 1:37:00

Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I've just. I was reading um papa reading some yeah, papa socks here and like I haven't seen anything prior to either the 50s or in that town, um, but other than jade's hallucinations, that's it that gives us any hint that things you know could go further. So I wanted to point something out to you, alex. You often remark and complain, um that they never get together and just talk about what's going on.

Speaker 2: 1:37:44

No, you're right, no, no, and, and you know what? They did a lot of talking today, and did you see how well that went? Yeah, you know what? What do I know? Remember more than three people.

Speaker 3: 1:37:55

I was so happy for you. I was so happy for you getting that was so happy for you getting that.

Speaker 2: 1:38:01

Like you said, even when they did talk, because they're so running scared, I still can't believe. They don't believe all this craziness. Like Jade said, the magic tree.

Speaker 3: 1:38:15

The magic tree. Yeah, yeah, I know Like.

Speaker 2: 1:38:19

I mean, this is this is a that. That meeting was like the election this year. It's like nobody's going to win, everybody's going to lose, and you're still back where you started, and I'm not here to make this a political thing.

Speaker 3: 1:38:37

I hate both parties. I can't even do any more political, exactly. So my last thought on the meeting is Boyd points out that she got out. It's not that she got out and came back, it's just that she got out and the thing about it is like all right, so maybe other people could get out too, but look how quickly she came back. Like you may, you might not know you could be out. You'd walk into Walmart Next thing you know you are in downtown from. You know like there's no guarantee If you get out you will stay out.

Speaker 2: 1:39:15

Well, that's the thing. That's not understanding is that she didn't try to come back. I mean, she tried to come back but she had no idea how to get back. How did she get back? But I'm saying, she got into a car accident and she brought other people with her Right Exactly. Now, like you said, maybe the EMTs are pawns. Right, they were pawns.

Speaker 3: 1:39:40

Yeah, because it's like Victor said I didn EMTs are pawns. Right, they were pawns. Yeah, because it's like Victor said I didn't know how to get home. She didn't know how to get back. You know, it was just, she just ended up back, all right. So I'm going to. Boyd has three conversations One with Ellis you know where, you know they're, just I don't know. Boyd wants to know who can be risked, who could be sacrificed, and I was just thinking, like you know, ellis was speaking from his youth. He's not thinking ahead where his father is like you can't just run in and do this, you have to think who's worth losing here, who is so indispensable, you know. Then he has the conversation with Acosta and he gives her crap about that, but basically he was talking out loud to himself. He's giving himself crap for having left Randall. You know he sticks with her in the diner I was not happy with that conversation.

Speaker 3: 1:40:48

No, no. And he sticks up for her in the diner. So she's thinking we're simpatico. And she comes to him saying use me. And he's like no.

Speaker 2: 1:40:59

Go screw yourself.

Speaker 3: 1:41:03

Go screw, yeah, screw, screw. You killed somebody. She didn't intentionally kill anybody, you know. And then Bokta, like you know you brought it up, I think last week that you know Bokta is spending a lot or giving a lot of attention to Boyd and I'm like I'm seeing it again.

Speaker 1: 1:41:19

I know, but Boyd, and I'm like I'm seeing it, oh wow.

Speaker 3: 1:41:22

I know, but Boyd, still, you know, like he's not over his wife, I don't think he's looking like. I think that's the last thing on his mind.

Speaker 2: 1:41:31

No, but he could want to have some comfort.

Speaker 3: 1:41:35

Yeah, you know, and he goes on to the bus and he's looking at Randall's stuff and Randall is quite the little whittler or carver or whatever and I felt like he was trying to assuage himself of his guilt, you know. But then she turns around and absolves him of his guilt and she says she'll have his back next time. And I'm just like like I don't know. It's like she's trying to find her place in this town because she knows up at colony house she is not number one but she's looking to have some foothold of power or something. And, um, fatima tells ellis what she's been dining on, but, more importantly, that she's worried that something's wrong with the baby. Oh, bacta is a mole. If she's a mole, she is really putting on a good show, I don't think she's a mole at all At all.

Speaker 2: 1:42:46

I think that I really do believe that she is just a person that is trying to find her way in this world. Now, there is something that there is something that I do want to point out. Are you done with Boyd? Are you done with Boyd?

Speaker 2: 1:42:55

I'm done with Boyd. Ok, I do want to talk about a couple of other points. One, because I have this really nifty graphic Sarah with the worms and Victor with the peaches that he never drew pictures of everything. That's why he had the suitcase, right, remember? He had the suitcase, yeah, and he didn't have anything from Christopher, which I know was the other episode. But yeah, I just, I just find that really interesting. And the other thing that I found really interesting was and I and this is a great point so so Ethan and Henry are walking down the street, yeah, and he, he notices to Ethan that there's a motel sign, but there's no.

Speaker 3: 1:43:44

Yeah, that's in my notes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:43:47

And you know what's up with that, and you know there's Sorry, no, I just think it's a valid question. Sorry, no, I just think it's a valid question.

Speaker 3: 1:44:07

It's got to be from some previous time, or I'm saying it's got to be like, I know, but I'm wondering if the this is the answer, yeah just vanish, like did it vanish, like did it sink into the ground, did something happen? And it just vanished. Like did it vanish, like did it sink into the ground, did something happen, and it just, you know, you know what?

Speaker 2: 1:44:26

And there's no debris Like it blew up you know the monsters, just they, just they wanted something different. They were more about the Airbnb houses.

Speaker 3: 1:44:37

Yeah, but you know what? Yeah, maybe it was easier to put them in houses, I don't know. But we haven't seen the debris pile from the house, the matthews house, that um no, it's still there. It's still there, it's just in the background yeah, I haven't seen it, but that could just be me. And victor tells and back to the pictures.

Speaker 3: 1:45:02

Like victor tells sarah that he never drew pictures of his dad right like he was only drawing pictures of what he experienced so that he wouldn't forget um and and it was just like he was recording the history of that place, and possibly because too painful to think about his dad. You know, he'd lost his mom and his sister.

Speaker 2: 1:45:31

The only other thing that we haven't talked about is the conversation between Fatima and Ellis.

Speaker 3: 1:45:37

Oh, I did mention that.

Speaker 2: 1:45:39

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 1:45:43

She thinks that something's wrong with the baby. It was right, you know, if you're not dissecting the show, you know to do a podcast. That could have easily been a throwaway. It was such a short, quick scene like I felt so bad for her coming clean like that. Um, yeah, like you know, having to just be like I'm eating rotten fruit produce, I'm eating things that worms eat, so you know, do you have any booms this week?

Speaker 3: 1:46:18

no booms okay, I just, I didn't even have the the feeling that I was gonna have a boom. We need some booms. Does anybody in chat have a boom?

Speaker 2: 1:46:30

well, at quarter to 12 at night I don't think anybody's got any booms. But, with that being said, we do have. We do have a piece of feedback from one of our A1 listeners that I do want to play, because she actually saw the show before it was aired and she doesn't have screeners.

Speaker 3: 1:46:59

Maybe it just plays differently there.

Speaker 2: 1:47:02

We'll see. Let's hear from Jodie on the other side of the world.

Speaker 5: 1:47:08

Hi, alex and Lizzie Jodie from Australia here, and it's Sunday from day here. I've just finished watching Episode 5, and I want to share a few thoughts. I'm not sure if I'll get it in in time for the show, but still listening and loving you guys. First thing, jade is fully channeling Lizzie in this episode and I was so here for it, I could so hear you in everything you said, lizzie. It was fantastic. Second thing, here's my recreation of my reactions to the whole town meeting thing. Oh, yay, town meeting. Oh, this is why they don't do town meetings, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. And finally, there was a lot of just exquisite emotion during this episode. Donna's face, when she was listening to Victor's father, was just so full of compassion and sympathy and understanding and victor's reunification with his father. It was just a lot of beauty and grace amongst some pretty horrific things this episode. But that's our show and that's why we love it. Can't wait to hear what you guys thought of the episode.

Speaker 3: 1:48:11

Bye oh, we haven't heard from.

Speaker 2: 1:48:15

Yes, I missed her um, um, but yeah, no, I I think she makes some good points and I think that, um, you know, we got a lot going on and, folks, if you want to submit some feedback, you can always go to what is fromcast at gmailcom, um, and, uh, send us your your feedback, whether it's audio. You can also go on to our um, we have a thing on our, on our buzzsprout, where you can actually send a text message too. Really, yeah, see, that's, that's, that's what I did not know that.

Speaker 2: 1:48:54

I know that and and also folks, if you guys are interested, we've got our season one tribute poster and what we're going to be doing, probably in the next week or so, we're going to be doing a preorder for our season two. We're working with Kirk because he's at New York Comic Con right now in the time of this podcast, and hopefully we'll get some kind of sketch. But I'm going to tell you right now it's going to probably look very similar to what you see right here, just with different style.

Speaker 2: 1:49:26

Yeah, but yeah, this style, but, um, we're going to be doing a season two, uh, and we're really looking forward to it. I know this is our thing, and you know. I also want to thank everybody that has purchased them already. We also have things like our Frummely shirts and our mugs, and didn't we sell a bunch of stuff this week?

Speaker 3: 1:49:49

We did. And Catherine, who I shouted out last week. I am picturing her. She ordered a Frummely T-shirt and a Frummeling mug and I'm like she's going to sit down and watch the episodes all dressed up and I'm like now.

Speaker 2: 1:50:10

I need that outfit Absolutely and again, hopefully. You guys, if you want to see any of our stuff, you can go to our Etsy shop and all you have to look at is what is from shop shop. Okay, and that's a great way you can support this podcast. We love doing it, but you know, at the same time, any support is is, uh, accepted, so to speak and I forgot to tell you I did order some stickers and some bookmarks I forgot to tell you I did that, so those are coming guys, and for those of you playing at home, next week we're going to be talking season three, episode six.

Speaker 2: 1:50:49

It's called scar tissue. How could that be any worse than what I mean? I don't even want to know what that means. I don't want to know, yeah, I mean please. But yeah, so Lizzie does those posters, she does everything and yeah, so we're almost sold out of the first poster and hopefully we'll maybe get a second run. So any other wonderfulness, miss Lizzie.

Speaker 3: 1:51:41

That's it. I don is October 20th, 2024. So you can get it today and tomorrow 10-21, for free on Amazon, and it's Lizzie's Lost Girls and it's a great story. It's a series that I have written and right now it's a five book series and I'm working on book six. But if you want to check it out and don't want to have to spend anything for it, go to Amazon right now you can get an ebook.

Speaker 2: 1:52:17

These will be, you know. All the links are in the show notes. I do a podcast with my daughter Daddy, Daughter, Bookworms so we review some kids' books. So we don't just come on here and talk for two hours. We actually have other lives and sometimes we even pay the bills when we have our jobs.

Speaker 3: 1:52:34

Yeah, that's what sometimes. You know, Alex, I've told you this, but I'm going to say it in front of everybody. I love the podcast that you do with your daughter. She's like a pro.

Speaker 2: 1:52:46

And what is she like? Eight, she's good, she's nine, going on 10.

Speaker 3: 1:52:51

She, yeah, she's a pro Like she puts us to shame, that's for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:52:59

That's for sure. And we're going to be speaking at PodFest. You know about that subject.

Speaker 3: 1:53:06

Alex and his daughter, not me.

Speaker 2: 1:53:08

Yes we're going to be talking daddy-daughter bookworms in Florida at PodFest. So we are good, but I want to thank the 28 people that actually stuck it out, and there's only one more thing to do, and that's ring the bell.

Speaker 3: 1:53:25

You guys are so much fun, thank you, thank you, see you next week guys, bye, bye.

Speaker 2: 1:53:29

Get your home, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on.