63 FROM MGM+ : Episode 6 "Scar Tissue" w/ Super Fan Andy Schrock

What if a mysterious photograph could unravel profound secrets in your favorite TV show? This week's exploration of "Scar Tissue" from season three, episode six, takes you on a journey through twists and revelations that linger in your thoughts. We journey with Jade on her enigmatic path and examine Elgin's unsettling camera capture, featuring Fatima alongside an unexpected figure that sparks our imagination and fuels speculation. With our guest from Ohio bringing humor and camaraderie, the conversation remains lively and engaging.

We also share tales of technical snafus during interviews, reminiscent of our past musical adventures, while drawing intriguing connections to meeting actors from iconic shows like "The Walking Dead." As anticipation builds, we explore Victor's adventures with his dad in mysterious caves, contemplating the layers of intrigue yet to unfold. The discussion navigates through emotional scenes and the intricate dynamics of Colony House residents, promising an emotional whirlwind in episodes to come.

Symbolism, folklore, and evolving relationships add depth to the narrative, with the lore of bottle trees and the emotional dynamics of characters like Tabitha and Randall enriching our understanding. Our excitement grows as we hit a milestone of 704 subscribers, eagerly hinting at upcoming merchandise and celebrating the community that forms around this captivating series. Join us for an engaging conversation as we unravel the mysteries and themes that make this show a thrilling watch.

Chapters

• 0:06 Season Three, Episode Six Recap
• 9:45 Kimono Woman and Colony House Theories
• 19:08 Mysteries of Colony House Residents
• 30:17 Matthews Family Drama and Suspense
• 37:15 Fatima's Mysterious Cravings and Relationships
• 51:43 Father-Son Bonding in Dark Tunnels
• 1:05:44 Mysteries and Theories With Jade
• 1:16:01 Bottle Tree Lore and Survivor Morality
• 1:24:51 Exploring Themes and Symbolism in Show
• 1:37:52 Excitement Building for Trio Dynamics
• 1:45:16 TV Show Plans and Celebrity Connections
• 1:51:03 Birthday Messages and Fun Banter

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:06

Welcome, welcome to the show. My name is out and I'm, and we are here. We're a little bit early, it's nine o'clock, so hopefully you guys can join us, at least on the replay. And we are talking season three, episode six, scar tissue. And this was a crazy. It wasn't my favorite, but it was. It was definitely a a one for the record books and folks. If you are new to our podcast on the video, uh, you can hit that subscribe button right below us and to the right. I think it's there. I'm more than interested. Also, the boom bell where it is. It's usually on the right hand side. That said, right behind Lizzie is our season one tribute poster and you can get that at the what is from shop. Along with we have some new stuff, we have t-shirts and we have some stickers and bookmarks that were pre-ordered, that were pre-doing, and we're going to be putting up our pre-order for our season two poster. That's going to be pretty awesome. So, that being said, lizzie, what was your first thoughts on this episode?

Speaker 3: 1:44

your first thoughts on this episode. You know, I mean I watch it with a fine-tooth comb to begin with and I was just collecting information and I was really enjoying Jade's journey in this episode. I really loved it. I just love all of the episodes. It's I don't know, it's for me. It's been hard to be disappointed in any one of them. There's always a big surprise.

Speaker 2: 2:19

I mean this wasn't my favorite episode, but it was a good episode. It gave us a lot of good information, I think, and I think that it moved the story along. Um, I, I think it was a table setter episode, uh, but I mean it wasn't. It wasn't my, it's certainly not going to be one of my favorite episodes, but, um, it was a good episode and had a lot of, had a lot of good stuff to it. I mean you know we had a good episode and it had a lot of good stuff to it. I mean you know we had a big episode with last week. So I think that you know you have to kind of you know, after I equate it to after Colony House in season one, after the big massacre type thing when they came into the house.

Speaker 2: 3:03

This episode it wasn't that it wasn't great or good, it just you had to kind of wheel from what. Yeah, you had to kind of step back. So, that said, let's see. Let's see what we got. We got our first thing. You want to go to colony house first, correct?

Speaker 3: 3:22

Yes, so I'm calling this colony house yearbook. We see Elgin playing around with the camera, the Kodak instant camera, the Polaroid camera, um, that he and Julie found in the basement. And so he's decided that he's going to create a collage of all the inhabitants of Colony House and he takes this very interesting picture of Fatima. And the reason why it's interesting is because she's not smiling. That has been the one thing about Fatima this entire series.

Speaker 3: 4:08

When we see Fatima, we see her smiling. She's almost always smiling. She's just got this beautiful smile. There she is. She's looking at him horrified. It's not like, oh, my hair isn't done, my makeup isn't done, it's not going to do that. She's just got so much turmoil going on that she's just not smiling. So he takes this picture of her and he's hanging it do it. He turns the picture and he sees the kimono woman in the picture, like standing behind fatima. I'm like, oh my gosh, I was wondering if that had, if that's what the picture was developing into, or if he was just seeing that yeah, I don't know, it was pretty freaky, though I thought it was.

Speaker 2: 5:08

um, yeah, I hope we. You know, I was thinking about this today and I know everybody wants answers and answers and answers, and I get that. I'm not, um, you know, I'm not opposed to I hope they give us something like, even if they told us, even if they told us why they were there, it's better than telling us nothing. And they think, if they tell us why they were there and they have to still get out that different than you know, something else you know, and I think that's you know I, I know, I know, um, I know that, uh, I just want to make this point because we got something going on. I know it's going to be a problem, but I know this is what lost was about, from what everybody's told me, and I think that if they at least tell us why and they still have a mission to do something it could make it a little bit better of a story. But before we go any further, we've got our returning special guest, um, all the way from Ohio, and Andy, how are you.

Speaker 3: 6:30

I was like Taryn or John. John or Taryn are from Ohio.

Speaker 2: 6:35

Taryn from Ohio.

Speaker 3: 6:37

I forgot Andy for a brief moment. I was so absorbed in what Alex was saying I forgot you were coming in.

Speaker 2: 6:44

I'm here, my name is Raquel, I'm from the other side of the pond and I don't know where John's from. How the hell are you, andy? I'm tired, but I have a very serious question for you. First off, did you get arrested this week and did you go into the red door? Because you should never go into a red door. I can't spoil if I went into the red door or not, but, okay, can confirm I did not get arrested. So for this is such a baby face.

Speaker 3: 7:21

You have too much fun, or not too much fun, in jail yeah, uh, it was quite the comedic moment in my week.

Speaker 2: 7:29

Well, that's awesome, and, um, you know just for those of you that, though and most of you probably do he's an internet sensation, thousands upon millions of followers, and he was doing some content, and he had a little kerfuckle. We had total permission to be filming on a piece of land, and we looked like a cult, like in black robes and red skull masks.

Speaker 2: 7:54

And like five different police officers were like going across these 30 acres to make sure our screams weren't somebody, you know, dying. Well, you know, and that's stupid. That's good that nobody died. But yeah, no, no, no masks were harmed in the uh filming of whatever you gave. But um, and again, from appropriate uh in, I did get a uh little uh from homage into the little short film thing we're making. Oh cool, that's awesome, that's awesome. So did you see that we interviewed the most important person in Trum? At least, not the most important, but we got to interview David this week. Yes, and I haven't watched it because those come out on like it came out today.

Speaker 2: 8:40

right, I dropped him today because he's talking about today's episode, so that's why I didn't watch mike, I started watching uh, one of um, scott mccord's, and he was talking about uh meeting, you know, victor meeting uh his dad, and I hadn't seen that yet and I was like and I went for a tweet. But, uh, we really did, we really didn't, you know, spoil it too much. No, honestly, there's not really much to say. Yeah, I mean, this does have a lot of victor and his dad, oh, it's fast.

Speaker 2: 9:10

Oh good, it would yeah, but uh, I have to say and I I've said this to lizzie unfortunately her tech wasn't working so well, so I had to do the interview by myself and I think you know it was it was awful that I had to do the interview by myself and I think it was awful that I had to do it, but I pressured on and got to and I actually stumped them a little bit, because talk about the bottle tree and bottle tree lore, which I have a little bit of understanding of because I did a little research. But let's just backtrack real quick, since you're, you're, uh, you're, could I?

Speaker 2: 9:49

well, I'm gonna be unprofessional for just a second and I just wanted to put out there on my youtube that I'm here, please, and and and that would be great. Um, because you, we don't know what we're doing, I don't. When you talked about the tech error, it was the first. I interviewed my favorite band, coed and Cambria, okay, and I didn't turn my mic on the very first time I did, and I eventually fixed it and did more videos with them, but I can. So I'm here with that. I don't know what I'm doing, that's okay what it is.

Speaker 3: 10:27

It's like my. My computer is temperamental and sometimes it just decides that the mic isn't going to work, and this is the second time this has happened when Alex and I have done the press chunk. It's like that, Of course. No, she just wants me to Andy.

Speaker 2: 10:43

It's not like that, of course. No, she just wants me to do it. It's not that, thank you.

Speaker 3: 10:49

Well, he did do a really good job. I don't know about that. I think he did.

Speaker 2: 10:55

If I could get his name, but that's another issue, don't go there, alex.

Speaker 3: 11:01

Seriously, I'm serious. No, no, no, Seriously.

Speaker 2: 11:03

I'm serious, no, but anyway, I think that he was really. He's really into the show. That's awesome. It's a little thing, right, lizzie? He's really into the show. Cliff too, when you had him on he was like I'm a fan of the show. I think, as the fans appreciate that so much more than I think most cast and crew members understand like that means the absolute world to me as a fan, that they're into it too.

Speaker 3: 11:37

absolutely, absolutely I can't remember who it was, but oh, I know who it was. It was on the it was. I know who it was. It was on the. It was the Walking Dead and it was Martinez, one of the governor's henchmen, and it was the first con ever. I'd never been to one and I went up to him and asked him about something having to do with oh my God, terminus. Okay, and he's's like I don't watch the show yeah and I just died.

Speaker 3: 12:11

I was embarrassed because it never occurred to me right and I should know better like I deal with actors in my regular job.

Speaker 2: 12:20

That's that put on someone you know they could have not. They could have answered that in a way that wasn't so blunt and like jarring too yeah, it was you know like jarring but but lizzie, you know, with the exception of uh, laurie, the one that plays laurie um I can't think of her actor name. I mean her real name. Hold it, no, no zero in callies yes, I mean, she has been off the show for so long, like for her to say I don't watch the show anymore, I'll give her a pass.

Speaker 3: 12:53

It's been like, yeah, yeah, a zillion years I mean, it was like a season, this guy.

Speaker 2: 12:58

But you can't say but that's what I'm trying to say like, even if you're in the show, like you should have some kind of opinion on what's going on. If you're in that season or the next season, you know, put your club, do cons.

Speaker 3: 13:13

Right, the people want to talk to them. It's like what to Do.

Speaker 2: 13:16

you know what I mean People want it and it got so big, so fast the Walking Dead massively blew up that they probably were like well, we're stars now we just can't think of it.

Speaker 3: 13:29

Only the great masses watch the television.

Speaker 2: 13:32

Now that we wasted a little time so that you could do what you had to do, what were your first thoughts of this episode? I just finished watching it, like four minutes ago, like I watched it and I ran, walked into this room and turn this on. Um, it was I. You know, I feel like the last two episodes have been a lot of information and, like you know, like kind of like letting things set in, and when you're just so into the show, it's like I'm all I could watch 10 episodes of just like telling us a little bit more about things.

Speaker 2: 14:08

Um, but this one it was so many scenes, so many of the storylines that were going on that I'm like keep, keep going. I want to see more, I want to know more. I want to, like you know, especially victor, his dad in the caves, which was ended up being legitimately scary towards the end, but brought up a lot of questions and thoughts and ideas. But I don't know my main thoughts after watching this. I'm like I think we're going to be in for it next. I think next week's going to be a roller coaster again.

Speaker 2: 14:40

Yeah, yeah I agree, but I did write notes for all the beats of the episode so as we talk about them, I can bring up crazy theories and ideas.

Speaker 3: 14:49

Did you get my notes that I sent you?

Speaker 2: 14:52

I did, but I couldn't read them because I hadn't seen the episode. All right, yeah, I appreciated it, but I don't have time to prep it because it would ruin the episode for me.

Speaker 3: 15:02

It was really just an outline of the different sections we're going to talk about, because right now we're talking about the colony house yearbook. So we're talking about how, how Elgin is. He's hanging the photographs on the line and he gets to the one with Fatima and he looks at it and the kimono woman shows up behind, behind who's raining.

Speaker 2: 15:31

I thought that was gonna happen. In the last episode, when he took a picture of julie, I was like she's gonna be a monster because she has the cicadas in him. And then it wasn't that way. So I knew something was good. When they, when they pulled the, when he pulled the pole right out again, I was like, all right, we're gonna get something with these photos. And of course we did.

Speaker 3: 15:49

It just makes me think that the kimono woman is attached to Fatima, because you know how people have been saying that that woman is Fatima, right Trying to. And then Elgin is the baby and all of that. And after tonight, who knows what the heck is going on.

Speaker 2: 16:06

But I think it's time to say that she's probably connected with the whole pregnancy not pregnancy thing.

Speaker 3: 16:12

Yeah, yeah, that could be it. Like you know, it almost is like air bubble. You know when you get an air.

Speaker 2: 16:19

Yes. But as there's so many storylines from this episode that are just like wants to know more. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:27

And.

Speaker 2: 16:27

I'm saying I was talking before and I didn't realize I was on mute. I'm like, yeah, that's a good point and all of a sudden I was on mute. Um, I, I think I w I wish people would be get over the whole. This is this person equals this person. That person equals that person. That person equals that person. I mean, I was talking to lizzie about this the other day. Um, I don't know how to kind of solve it in my own head and maybe you guys can help me solve it in the sense of is you know if jade is christopher and? Um, you know, tabitha is this person. There's a lot of mirrored characters, past and the present. It's like they're just putting people into their little buckets. I think the point that we need to understand here is like okay, whatever you think, think, if they're mirroring a character or they are that character, they didn't do it right because you're still here. So what are you going to do to change the change that, their path, when that yeah?

Speaker 3: 17:33

yeah, yeah, and that's something you know like I hate saying I'm a chemist, but I've done a lot of labs, you know, and when you're trying to figure something out, you do minor tweaks a lot in the way, you know, because you keep failing, keep failing, keep failing. You know, like Edison had 2000 prototypes of the light bulb before he finally got one that worked and it's just tweak, tweak, tweak.

Speaker 2: 18:03

And you can't try too many new things at once or you don't get the right data. It has to be in a bread. It's tedious.

Speaker 3: 18:10

Yeah, if this has been going on since like the 1600s, or was 1400 even the earliest date, if that is a date you know, it just makes you wonder how many tweaks there's been along the way. So, at any rate, I just want to finish saying this about Elgin's experience. Sure, because the kimono woman comes up behind him and she says she asked for his help so that she can save him and so that she can save them all yeah I, and that's sorry, go, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 18:51

You know I don't know what I was saying it's clear that I, I think that the general audience feels that she's not, uh like a nefarious entity. I, I feel like, if anything she's, she's leading, you know, but who knows this place? But that's, I feel like that's what we're supposed to feel, is that she's not nefarious. I thought it was kind of weird in the episode before last that he jumped out and tried to hit her with like a, like a fireplace shovel. I was like you know, so he doesn't feel that way about her. But, um well, something coming at you. Come on, andy.

Speaker 2: 19:19

Like I would deal with you, I wouldn't deal with it. You're creepy. I guess she tried. Did she try to drown him originally? I mean, come on, okay, all right.

Speaker 3: 19:27

Yeah, I mean first time we see her.

Speaker 2: 19:30

But in his defense and I think this is the problem with the, a problem with the show. But, like you know, when you think about all the incidents that happened, they have people that come out at night. They got the Akui girls, they got this, they got Pat, they got monsters, yeah. I wouldn't say that it's important. It's like what are you trying? And then this guy every time he sleeps he sees something coming at him. I'm like dude. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:00

That is something we have to always remind ourselves, that like, okay, yeah, we're thinking logically because we get to walk outside and do whatever we want every day. We're not. I mean that's the thing. I mean you look at, you look at the cop, and I and I still, till this day, don't understand why they were like laying into her, yeah, as much as he did he's. I mean it was like hold on, you tie people up at Colony House for 24 hours. Somebody opened the window like the shade, and there's a monkey there. I mean like come on, and that scene where she just got just roasted, I was like I felt like what she said was very, you know, a very good moment, where she was just trying to offer help in any way, and it wasn't even a terrible idea. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:52

Yeah, she gets it. She gets it. I didn't mean to take us off the filter there. So, Lizzie.

Speaker 3: 21:04

I'm set with colony house. If we want to move on to Dale, okay.

Speaker 2: 21:09

Let's move on to Dale.

Speaker 3: 21:11

Okay, so we got some new information on this episode, because, uh, donna mentions that he's been driving her nuts for nearly two years, so guess what happened.

Speaker 2: 21:25

They removed Yak on the list.

Speaker 3: 21:27

Well.

Speaker 2: 21:28

I could adjust it.

Speaker 3: 21:33

This thing. I need to figure out how to make this look better.

Speaker 2: 21:38

We can make a problem this is Victor being there the longest?

Speaker 3: 21:42

Donna, three years six months, 17 days, but probably added two weeks to that. Then Khadri at three years. Ditto shows up between Khadri and Boyd, boyd, okay. So Boyd was there one and a half years. Fatima the Lews come in somewhere around here. Fatima at one year, sadama at one year, christy at six months, sarah and Nathan a few months, and then we've got Jade and the Matthews and then the bus people. So this is the board.

Speaker 2: 22:20

And now you can add even more at the top the ambulance people.

Speaker 3: 22:25

Oh my gosh. Yes, I can't believe I didn't do that. The ambulance Basically Acosta and Henry. That means to go on there. Thanks for that, andy See.

Speaker 2: 22:38

Got you yeah and Tabitha's back If you want to pay attention? Yeah, Tabitha, I haven't had this much more. Yeah, they've got other. Yeah, tabitha, I haven't had this before.

Speaker 3: 22:48

So Tabitha tells Donna that Dale just wanted to help, but we had Cliff on last week I think it was that's what he said that was. All Cliff wanted was to be able to help.

Speaker 3: 23:04

He was clearly frustrated yeah that he wasn't being utilized or taken seriously and I think that he had a lot to do with that because, like when you remember, uh, the episode that jasmine wreaks havoc on colony house and you know dale's on the stairs talking to someone and he's just talking BS Like he, you know, like you know party guy BS talker, that you're just like you know somebody you know sit between me and this guy. That's what he seemed like. So Tabitha goes to the pool where Dale is buried and Donna is throwing rocks down into the pool because she's going to wall him up, and they're talking about it and about different things and Tabitha says I think I might have wasted my opportunity. You know, when I got there and we saw the way acosta was talking to um tabitha in the ambulance, like she was an escaped mental patient, yeah, absolutely you know?

Speaker 2: 24:15

yeah, I don't think she was trying to do things the entire time. She talked to them and she did tell somebody. Technically, she told the priest.

Speaker 3: 24:26

Oh yeah, the priest, I forgot all about him. Yeah, I mean she. I think she did what she was supposed to do. The only thing and I'm hoping we see what this, you know, see a payoff for this the only thing was her calling her gram. I mean her mother. That's just a weird thing to have done. I can understand why she did it. We would have done that, called her moms.

Speaker 2: 24:57

But knowing, I guess knowing that she couldn't do anything anything, no one could do anything about it, you know, yeah and she's also, and, and I think she's just she's probably just feeling guilty because she's listening to these people letting their thoughts get in. We all pay attention to negative comments much more than we pay attention to positive comments. And, and she, it wasn't like she was going to the movie and eating junk food. She was probably terrified of not getting back with her family. So if you tell the wrong person, you get taken away. Boom, you're never seeing front. Yeah, and she was doing walking the steps, she was pulling at the threads, you know, following the lunchbox, and she was actively trying to do things to contribute to, you know, figuring something out.

Speaker 3: 25:47

Right, Right, Um it. Just I don't know why, but I can understand the frustration of the townspeople.

Speaker 2: 25:56

Sure.

Speaker 3: 25:57

But come on, be realistic. You tell people that you're you're confrontal place that you can't get out of. Yet You're standing here. That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2: 26:08

Right, you probably would get locked away in some if you told enough people.

Speaker 3: 26:12

Yeah, yeah. So my last point on Dale is Kenny comes to the pool and asks if he can move into Colony House. He's not wanting to live with a family. He's not wanting to live in a place where his mother lived and made a home for them, which is understandable. I hate that. Kenny's a woe in this world.

Speaker 2: 26:40

I think he's going to get a very good story arc, though, because everyone loves him, him and Victor. I mean there's a handful of a very good story arc, though, because everyone loves him, him and Victor. I mean there's a handful of people we all hold dear and dear but like him and Victor, I feel like are the ones we really like. Don't you dare touch them. Yeah, you know they cut plot armor as far as yeah, so I look forward to see. It's kind of funny about his plot armor not Kenny's, but Scott's or Victor's. They were going to kill him off in the first season. That's beyond me. I'm like huh, how does that work? He's like the bloodline of all this. Well, the question that I have if this is an entity and everything else and Dale has proven the fact that I have if this is an entity and everything else, and you know, dale has proven the fact that the entity has control of everything basically, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3: 27:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:35

What the heck did, did Victor do to get stuck in this your life? Like, you know what I'm saying. Like what did him or his mom or his sister do? Now I have a note about exactly I I'm the same thought when I was like. I was like, because there's that moment where, like they're, like we've almost, like we allow you to exist because or you better watch out or else you're going to stay here with us.

Speaker 3: 28:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:07

Do you think that that one I mean like they've clearly allowed him to live, like that is. Do you think that his mom did something, some sort of deal with the entity that safeguarded him and there is some sort of protection around him that we're yet to find out? Okay, it's a wonder.

Speaker 2: 28:29

Or they're doing something like Boyd, where they're just trying to torture. Now, is it a fact that Victor's mom and sister are dead? He said that he found his mom's body underneath. Is it a fact? His sister is dead. No, I don't think that's the truth. I don't think that they're. I haven't thought. I haven't thought. I'm fine on the outside. Right.

Speaker 3: 28:54

Season two ended in a.

Speaker 2: 28:57

Yeah, and then I didn't think they expected I bring that up because you know, I keep hearing all these crazy, you hear all these crazy theories, right, and you're like maybe she's gonna show up, maybe you know. And again, this is completely maybe the police officer is her. I'm not saying it is her, I you know, but there's enough, there's enough evidence that she could return. She's a loose girl. I don't think it's Tabitha. I don't think Tabitha.

Speaker 3: 29:29

No, I don't think so either Because like especially that flashback at the end of the episode.

Speaker 2: 29:36

I don't think Tabitha is the mom. I don't think, tabitha. I think they may pick people, and I know I'm going to talk on both sides of my mouth. They may pick people to have certain roles. You know what I mean, like Jade being Christopher and her being the mom, those same type of powers for lack of a better term, chest pieces, whatever you want to call them, because I do believe to that thing. The monsters are playing chess and Boyd is playing checkers.

Speaker 2: 30:12

I mean they're playing you know, but anyway, let's get back to. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go off topic. No, no, super interesting.

Speaker 3: 30:23

I know we were off topic but like, if you think about and I'm jumping a little bit ahead but you know Victor and his father jump into the trailer at the end of the episode, right, and Victor's, then you know I used to hide here and we both know, all three of us know they didn't have talismans, right?

Speaker 2: 30:45

It did latch right Because it's a traditional truck, but they could break through it, of course, if they wanted to.

Speaker 3: 30:50

Yeah, like if they wanted to get at him, I think that they could have gotten at him. And all those years he lives to be a 50-some-odd-year-old man and never been killed. They do have a couple of hints to that, but I'm going to wait to talk about it. Okay, man, and never been killed.

Speaker 2: 31:06

Did you ever? But I'm going to wait to talk about it.

Speaker 3: 31:09

Okay, because I am jumping.

Speaker 2: 31:12

I don't want to go down that. I mean, that's a long, that's a big thing, and you're right.

Speaker 3: 31:17

Let's just get back on track. So let's go to his family drama.

Speaker 2: 31:23

Yeah, that Then when that scene, are you talking about the beginning or just all of them?

Speaker 3: 31:30

And the open the episode. It's funny.

Speaker 2: 31:33

Yeah, it's funny because of all the things moving in from and I was like. I was like I don't, we don't need to see drama. I was like but this would absolutely be happening and it's happening for a reason because they're showing it's just, it's so. It's such a real, relatable thing. You know, like human relationships are so difficult and and it's it's we've watched from. You're like this is, you know, this is like real life for a lot of people.

Speaker 3: 31:53

You know, um it seemed like they went into me to work. Well, their their marital grit, you know, and you know she's brooding out the window, he's pissed off and she's like they went in.

Speaker 2: 32:09

They went back to the script that they were using after thomas died yeah and, and you know, they accomplished nothing with that fight absolutely you also have to look for food, and she's there interestingly, you didn't see him Like it never touches back to him in the whole episode. My wife pointed that out. I was like, oh yeah, are we going to get to see anything, Is he? Yeah, that's the point. When we're not given information to the show, it's just as scary as when we see the scary stuff.

Speaker 3: 32:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:42

What is your take on him? Do you like him or not like him, or like he's? I think he, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I like him in the story for sure. I feel for him, you know, because he's, he has just been trying his best to do things and I feel like he makes nobody happy. Yeah, now there's other characters that are near and dear to my heart, that I genuinely like, but I don't know, and I was like with something in that when he left, I was like is this? Something was said. I was like, oh, maybe he just won't come back, maybe, and that's the way it ended and that's going to affect Tabitha. Ongoing.

Speaker 3: 33:18

Yeah, you know, like he was underutilized last season, I think he's been used a little bit more this season. But he's more of a facilitator as far as segueing things versus being like a jade or leader or even a Tabitha.

Speaker 2: 33:41

Does that move the industry along?

Speaker 3: 33:43

Yeah, I have some thoughts, but I'm not going to voice them here.

Speaker 2: 33:50

I just think if he left tomorrow it wouldn't affect the story.

Speaker 3: 33:54

It's what we feel, that way.

Speaker 2: 33:56

I think it would definitely affect all the people that are important to the story, which makes it like when you're looking at it, you're like I could see him being some big character. That goes because of that.

Speaker 3: 34:10

Yeah, I mean he's smarter.

Speaker 2: 34:14

I'm sorry, I keep cutting you off. He gets manhandled by his daughter, which he deserves to.

Speaker 3: 34:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:23

His son is getting pissed at him, you know, and his wife is just like what are you doing? And they just fell back into the old tropes of the way it used to be before.

Speaker 3: 34:36

they yeah, because remember, like first season, they were all like, like they were healing. You know, they were falling back into romantic love.

Speaker 2: 34:48

the kids were happier and ethan even remarks about it in this episode it's a very heartfelt sentiment, like it's very it just hits you, not heartfelt like all sweet, heartfelt like it. You know it hurts and it's. It's a very powerful moment.

Speaker 3: 35:01

Yeah, it just was kind of sad. And so that morning Tabitha has an Ankui experience, like she's just talking with Ethan and all of a sudden she's just like Right, it goes upstairs, like and she was totally cornered. One comes out of each one's coming up the stairs and she's like what?

Speaker 2: 35:27

right, and I did. That's the most. I didn't know what to expect when they heard the creaking. And now I think about it. I shouldn't have been surprised. That's like the one that's makes absolute, absolute sense. But I did. You know once, once they started creeping in, or I was like she's just gonna have one of these episodes and then Ethan's gonna come running yeah yeah yeah, let's see did.

Speaker 3: 35:51

How did I end up with julie and randall getting stoned? I don't know, julie, julie, the thing that I wanted to talk about with julie is this season.

Speaker 2: 36:04

She just looks dark to me yeah, she almost looks like it, like to that this episode specifically, I was like she's kind of starting to look like a like an adams family member, almost like like the stroke era, like she's definitely boasting but more the girl in the rich yeah, yeah, but it looks happy, at least right she's like the girl from the ring yeah, I know.

Speaker 3: 36:29

Alex, you probably don't know that, but what girl, the girl from the ring, the one that, oh, like Snowtime, was it a?

Speaker 2: 36:37

Snowtime ever. Yeah, I know, I know of her because I played Dead by Daylight. She looked girl. She likes to come through the TVs. I know of her because I played Dead by Daylight. She looked horrible. She likes to come through the TVs and scare the crap out of me. But no, I don't. Normally I've never watched the Ring. I have no desire to watch the Ring. The only ring I have is probably one that was on my finger. I have no scariness in me when it comes to that, but I will say, you know, when it comes to her, I think, going back to the Matthews family, what are they trying to do? They're trying to put pressure on the survivors On all sides. Yeah, well, they took Tabitha away. Boom, the dad lost his sides. Well, they took Tabitha away. Boom, the dad lost his shit. Yeah, now what he did was with her and Randall. What are they doing? They're well.

Speaker 2: 37:33

and Mariel, they're screwing with their head, I think they're trying to bring those three together and I love that they're communicating about it. That's one of the mysteries. Now it's like you know, know, is that actually ended? Because it was very like. It looked like this is the problem smash the dancer and then the curse is broken, and you know, and um, and it's like okay, but that wasn't really the end, that wasn't the curse. So, as it just like, or is their brain just ravaged from it and they're just going to forever be sick?

Speaker 3: 38:03

Yeah, Like I, I do like how they're slowly drawing them together. You know, even though Mariel was not acknowledging it, she's got Randall moving into the clinic now. Yeah, which I like?

Speaker 2: 38:22

I really think, though, that Marielle, being a nurse, has a different perspective than the other two. I say that just because I'm not saying what she's seeing is not scary and whatever in her head, but she's used to trauma. She's used to deal that and getting through that a little bit easier, and especially when you're constantly on level 27,000. All she's trying to do is survive the next injury, and I think that adrenaline can only take you so far. But you know, when you're a leader and she's not necessarily a leader, but she is valuable she's valuable as a medical person. You know people are starting to use her and respect her. Um, I like what they're doing with with, like you said, what they're doing with randall and um, mariel, and you know you fake it till you make it kind of thing too.

Speaker 2: 39:37

You know she's keeping it together with, with, with uh, it's house of cards I think, but she was also probably the going through the worst of it of those three because she was going through withdrawal at the same time. So not only was she like losing her mind, whatever was happening with that episode and I don't mean episode literally, I mean, like you know, that the episode of the spell and the, the three people, um, like she was, her body was just like absolutely in hell right, and she was dealing with the, the curse on top of it. I mean I, I hope they kind of explain what they put them through, because they've kind of just said and go, they have to.

Speaker 3: 40:18

Well, I mean, yeah, right then julie's already said she hears constant screaming, you know.

Speaker 2: 40:28

What would be? What would be your how? I think it would be like bills.

Speaker 3: 40:34

It's just. That's where I am now.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Mounds of bills and phone calls from people, Mounds of sales call that you have to answer. I mean a bad one Exactly. No, I, I, I. I remember I was talking to Lizzie about this. I wanted to make this, this uh video about you. Know, let me get this straight there's most I, there's all these different things in from. It's kind of looking like a vacation. I don't have to work, I don't need money.

Speaker 3: 41:07

I revenue have to work. I don't need money, a revenue.

Speaker 2: 41:09

Well, they're fighting. This is a dream, oh, I don't know how, at night, anyway it's well, yeah, and so let me just uh say we are talking with andy uh and lizzie and we are talking season three, episode six, scar tissue. And, folks, if you're just joining us again, hit that subscribe. We are up to thanks to andy's help and I say that because I'm not being funny when I say that I want to get the exact right number. Okay, because it is. It is effing amazing.

Speaker 2: 41:42

Hold on, let's just give me a second here because, god forbid, I'm in the wrong thing. But we are almost at. I think we actually, yep, we are at 704 subscribers. Quick counting, you nailed it. Only four of them are ours. The 700 are the guy below me and, yeah, we're holding a strand and we want to thank them for now.

Speaker 2: 42:09

But no, I want to thank everybody because I think it's really kind of neat that that people are taking the time and, um, that they're enjoying the content and we just got to get those views up and then we're going to be able to offer a lot of other benefits, like, we'll be able to shop on the bottom, because I know Lizzie wants to make sure that we're selling a t-shirt an hour, or I get yelled at Right.

Speaker 2: 42:33

Lizzie, yeah, next year will be every half hour. Well, no, no, no. I have to say no in her defense. What she's doing I think is really cool, and I can't wait to see that she's taking our poster and she has a mrs lu one with the diner and then, oh yeah, I mean like it, they're gonna come out really cool. I just I. I just like I said, I think it's really cool, but it's nice if we could have it across the bar. And the only way we do that is with. I mean, I want to thank everybody because we have been getting tons of requests for shirts, tons of requests for the poster. I mean, I know we're not run out yet, but we're getting close to running out.

Speaker 2: 43:17

And I mean the the t-shirt, sales of it and the mugs. I know you're getting a Proclivities one soon.

Speaker 3: 43:24

I really should have a Proclivity one.

Speaker 2: 43:27

I love a Frumley shirt of yours For your birthday, for her birthday. Yeah, I would buy one myself. That's okay. I mean you know you've got to make a shirt or two. It's not like you don. It's okay. I mean you know you had to make a shirt or two.

Speaker 1: 43:49

It's not like you don't have a a way to make a shirt, isn't it, but is it.

Speaker 2: 43:51

I don't have any more, you don't? We got rid of it at my work. Yeah, I used to. I think the last time I was that I made, but I had a From one made too, but I only have one copy. Oh, I thought you had, like, you made your own merch. We did for a long time, but then we just we moved on to a different way. We make our shirts at work. So, oh, okay, it was a hassle, I totally understand. But yeah, we're at four subscribers. Hopefully we'll get to 700, which is a good number 730 by when? By the end of the week. Well, you know, right now, listening to this, if you haven't already, you can literally just hit the button and this wonderful community inside the from community can just flourish. Now that we've tried to pay some bills, what's next we're battle is the week.

Speaker 3: 44:49

Oh, I wanted to. We need to talk about Fatima. Something is wrong.

Speaker 2: 44:58

I was relieved. What's that? It was almost relieved that she's not pregnant. Well, maybe she's, maybe she's not. But I was like, oh good, I don't want some winged devil baby flying around.

Speaker 3: 45:11

Oh, I'm burned Once she started eating the rotten crops. I was like what the heck? But I don't think that this is good news at all. I'm sure it's not. I don't think that this is good news at all? I'm sure it's not. You know, like she understandably she doesn't want anyone to know about her cravings. I think it was really hard enough for her to tell. I can't believe they told Boyd. Yeah well, she ended up telling Boyd.

Speaker 2: 45:40

Yeah, but that was like she was like the whole scene. I was like okay, and then all of a sudden it just cuts and I was like, oh, that's what they meant. They're going to tell, like I thought they were just going to just talk to him and see what he wanted, but no, they're like tell him and he's just like he doesn't even react. He's like I don't know.

Speaker 3: 45:54

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:05

Like we can't fucking break you eating. That's what my wife said. She was like I wonder if this is like ultimately just to stack on more with boyd. And then it's just there's just casualties along the way. Yeah, honestly, when I, when they had the ultrasound, all I could think of was space balls. When the, when the little alien comes out of the belly and starts doing that dance and all I'm thinking is that's what's going to happen. Something's going to come out of her belly.

Speaker 3: 46:30

Just seeing something with double horns.

Speaker 2: 46:32

Right, it's not going to be that cheesy, but I guess what are the other options? Seeing nothing it breaking, it just malfunctioning, or, like you, just darkness. That would have been creepy. I wasn't expecting to see fangs or something, you know.

Speaker 3: 46:48

yeah, no, yeah I wasn't either, but you're curious yeah, I mean she's like there's something in there. There is something in there and she's probably right yeah, that's. That's the creepy thing, but think about it right. What was inside? Smiley?

Speaker 2: 47:10

Just old. Well, the stuff, but the bile, right but nothing. It was just like a change. Yeah, yeah, yeah that.

Speaker 3: 47:23

So this makes me think that she's going to become one of them. Oh. You know what I mean, Because she's saying there's something inside of me that we know she still has the uterus right.

Speaker 2: 47:41

She has that.

Speaker 3: 47:45

There's no baby in there and she's eating rotten produce.

Speaker 2: 47:52

And, beyond that, craving human blood.

Speaker 3: 47:56

Yeah, it's all about Nikki. It was so funny they kept mentioning Nikki in this episode. I'm like who the heck is Nikki?

Speaker 2: 48:03

Yeah, she didn't become. I mean this show just charges forward. It's easy to you know you're just like some traumatizing thing. Last episode oh yeah, that happened because yeah there's 20 new. Things have broken my brain wait, let's break this down for a second. She's eating rotten food and she's drinking blood, or eating blood, whatever you want to call it. I was ready here. I was ready for that scene to be way more disturbing too. It was just very disturbing it was like.

Speaker 2: 48:32

But like what could that mean? Like, why is she feeding on those things? One of one of two things either. She's kind of like a sarah situation where she's being forced to. He has something. She clearly has something in her, whether. Whether it's ones or something, some, yeah, I mean question is and I don't know, you know, some of the deep dive listeners may know you know, and I might want to go back, because when I was trying to get some clips for Jade and and Dale, I kind of like went through the scenes really quick, but did she get injured in any way where the monsters could have gotten something? I'm just totally speculating. Yeah, I go back to find a moment where, like an altercation could have happened or like, well, something had happened, she got scratched or something that caused the monsters to get into her. Now we still don't understand how Sarah got the monsters. I don't believe, or why is it not a thing anymore?

Speaker 3: 49:42

I mean because, boy, it was because Martin touched him, grabbed him.

Speaker 2: 49:46

They transfused his blood.

Speaker 3: 49:50

Crap. I had it, I had it, I had it. Oh, they didn't touch, though. Remember when Sadama and Ellis were in the police station and Cowboy and Purse.

Speaker 2: 50:03

Oh, she's hanging on her door, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 50:06

They didn't touch.

Speaker 2: 50:07

No.

Speaker 3: 50:08

But they had that direct eyeball connection.

Speaker 2: 50:11

Maybe that's when they picked her, when they were like all right, you know what, if you're trying to stand up against us, yeah, this one's ballsy.

Speaker 3: 50:18

We could use her on our team.

Speaker 2: 50:22

I mean I really hope that they don't. She isn't toned. I mean that would really cut. I think what's disturbing about her situation the most to me is that she's very content in doing those things. When she's doing them Like there's not, it's not like she's out of control and there's like a tear going down her cheek. When she's like eating the blood, it's like that seems like what she wanted to be doing. And the only time she doesn't like it is when she's confessing to everyone else that she's scared she. And the only time she doesn't like it is when she's confessing to everyone else that she's scared. She's doing it. It's like, well, she's crying, yeah, the word is asked of him, and you know it always comes back to Harry Potter for me and I was watching Chamber of Secrets and I was thinking now that I'm thinking about what you're saying that you know Genie Weasley was doing all these bad things and she was in a trance. Yeah, like Goldmer was making her do it.

Speaker 2: 51:15

So I mean it could be that kind of situation. I don't know. I mean I don't know what the listeners are thinking. I'd love to hear what they have to say. It's definitely pretty effing gross when you're fingering somebody from a gunshot. Yeah, and it was the way they filmed it. They knew Pretty effing gross when you're fingering somebody from a gunshot.

Speaker 3: 51:31

Yeah, and it was the way they filmed it.

Speaker 2: 51:32

They knew what they were doing. They were like we're going to make this weird. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 51:38

So I guess we can move on from Sadma.

Speaker 2: 51:43

Sure, I hope the story arc is completed by the end of the season. That's one of the storylines that I'm like it's going to be. It's my heart can't take two more, two seasons of what's going on with that baby.

Speaker 3: 52:01

I was just. Can we save that until we get to um Henry and and?

Speaker 2: 52:06

I know I just I read it and then I took it away.

Speaker 3: 52:09

Yeah, oh, okay, because it's a great point. Well, it's a great point. I just don it, and then I took it away.

Speaker 2: 52:11

Yeah, oh okay, because it's a great point. Well, it's a great point. I just don't want the same page Okay.

Speaker 3: 52:15

All right, so well, you know, we could talk about Victor and Henry right now. We don't have to wait. I have stuff. Whatever?

Speaker 2: 52:25

you want. I know you have stuff you want to talk about, victor.

Speaker 3: 52:32

Let's go to Victor and Henry, because I don't want to lose that comment. Because that Victor is, I have an entire page.

Speaker 2: 52:45

Yeah, that's a good point. Is that all Victor and Henry? Yeah, this is Victor, and.

Speaker 3: 52:50

Henry's big adventure.

Speaker 2: 52:52

Yeah, that's a great lead they have this entire page.

Speaker 3: 52:57

What I love is them doing the father-son bonding?

Speaker 2: 53:03

stuff. Oh, the scene before the big adventure. I love that. That was so beautiful.

Speaker 3: 53:09

In his room.

Speaker 2: 53:10

Yes, yeah, the big adventure. Like I love that, like that was so beautiful in his room. Yes, yeah, and just and just, scott mccord, he's a I I said this actually online he's a, he's a wizard, he's.

Speaker 3: 53:18

He's such a genius, yes, and it's like he's so used to being victor, so used to being by himself, that when his dad is like can I come, he's like no, no, no, okay, and then he starts thinking and he's like, yeah, you could come in. You know up to where I have to do what I have to do because it's dangerous and I don't want to get hurt. You know like he's protecting his dad.

Speaker 2: 53:44

Yeah, and both of them. It was just a perfect scene for that, like the feeling lotion behind it. It reminded me of when my daughter went to daycare or went to school and she has friends and she's a whole life without us. And you're going into her life and you're just like I am nobody right now.

Speaker 2: 54:10

I am actually a guest and like I just need to just exactly, just try to be part of Tread lightly, try you have to tread lightly, and I think what I loved about this scene was Victor's at a crossroads in his life because of the fact that this is his dad. He had this image of his dad as being a fatherly figure, but his dad is not the smartest person in the room. He's the smartest person in the room because he knows all this stuff.

Speaker 2: 54:49

It's just a very interesting dynamic. And you know, yes, like you just said, he's trying to protect them, yet he's not. And I can't even I sit on Sopton's head where it's like Victor is kind of like the father figure in this new world to his own dad.

Speaker 3: 55:09

Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2: 55:12

he's leading his dad and I just I was thinking that is my daughter in first grade, not person like, oh, this is my dad, but really I'm, I'm the. Uh, main course, I'm still me. Yeah, yeah, this is my other life yeah, so.

Speaker 3: 55:32

so they set off on the journey and you know, they get to the beginning of the tunnels and, um, victor reluctantly allows him to go and it just, it threw me right back to when victor and and Tabitha were in the tunnels. Victor goes in stealth, he really does. Yeah. Trevor's best. You know Tabitha's in there like. Yeah. No, I know it's smart, it's just Tabitha, I don't.

Speaker 2: 56:06

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 56:07

You know. And then Henry, like he's been told several times, be quiet. You know, and the voices just carry in there. It's very, very scary.

Speaker 2: 56:23

I was just scared for Henry. I was like, okay, he just got here, don't have him do something stupid and he's gone. No, I thought they were going to make him. I thought, like when he was down there. I thought maybe they would take him just to mess with him or just beat him and not kill him like they just have him.

Speaker 3: 56:39

That's neat oh okay, yeah, that'd be terrible.

Speaker 2: 56:43

We all know that would be terrible. Yeah, my other thing is make sure you have enough army.

Speaker 3: 56:52

Man I'm going to buy more now. You know I did this research project in 2006. I was in West Virginia, in this place that's known as the quiet zone, and when you go in and you're there for you know, a short period of time and then your parting thing is you have to do a gag of some kind of gag. So the college kids ordered like 3,000 of those little green army men.

Speaker 2: 57:20

Okay.

Speaker 3: 57:20

And one night they went into the offices. You know where the lab facilities were, the radar room, everything. Everywhere you looked, those little army men worked everywhere. That's fun and I don't know about you guys, but I never enjoyed playing with them because the legs didn't move.

Speaker 2: 57:43

No, that wasn't a big toy. I liked to pose them and stuff, so I never super liked to sit in the army men. Well, my wingmen, really. Oh, I love them. I mean and that doesn't surprise me because, like, how iconic they are, like I knew there was for as many people that don't like it. There has to be as many people because it's iconic. It's one of the theme is toys Right.

Speaker 3: 58:08

Like you know I was a big Barbie girl. But you know I was a big barbie girl, but you know she refused to date gi joe because gi joe just had those kung fu hands yeah did not like he couldn't get anything done.

Speaker 2: 58:22

They can pull, they can pull it's too busy doing other things master, yeah I want to know what else we're doing with other things yeah, no, she wouldn't date him, but at any rate, so the overall tone of Victor like I think he like advanced in this scene, like we got to see him.

Speaker 2: 58:41

he was more confident. I feel like he's spoken like at a his lines are always like spoken and as if it's coming from like an 8 year old. You know, and this one I was like I feel like he's a solid 12 now. He was confident, he was clear-spoken and it was thrilling to me. I'm like seeing Victor so many people's favorite character, story progression and character growth and I'm like we're getting a treat with this episode.

Speaker 3: 59:13

Yeah, I mean he just he was in charge when he was self-assured, confident, like the like he was in his element being in those caves.

Speaker 2: 59:25

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 59:25

And I think that he got a kick out of being there with his dad, even though his dad was, you know too, yeah, but, um, you know, getting getting to that first um antechamber where he and tabitha had found all the stuff, and it's empty yeah I like do they really just move stuff around, like are they always like redecorating and stuff?

Speaker 3: 59:55

and they keep going and it's like that real skinny passage and passageway that they have to go to to get to the next interim where all the stuff is set up or is it just appear and disappear, because if they're moving it physically, that that makes them so less scarier. Yeah, I know the union here. That table through that passageway?

Speaker 2: 1:00:19

Yeah, and then the sense that we have a party yeah, we pay people to go through there and disassemble and task gravity yeah, which we're not sponsored by by, but would really be helpful to yeah, and like there was a piece of fiesta ware on that table and the little fancy teapot and there.

Speaker 3: 1:00:43

Why wasn't anyone else sitting at the table? Why was it just jasper? It was like they reached it, knowing he was coming for him right yeah you know? I mean, wasn't it the creepiest thing when Christopher was talking to Jasper and Jasper is thinking?

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

actually yeah, and you know, please go yeah from up in this episode. Well, it did flash back in this episode. I don't know if it flashed back to speaking, but but yes, it did happen. What I this to me was is a big moment where it shows you how different characters are. For instance, thomas called him on the phone and jim's like you're crazy, you're not my son click yeah victor is like oh, this dummy said a story once.

Speaker 2: 1:01:28

We should definitely believe that dummy. Like the certain characters are like completely like, I'm not believing that's so creepy.

Speaker 3: 1:01:35

Oh, this dummy said a story once we should definitely believe that dummy, like certain characters are like completely like I'm not believing that's so creepy.

Speaker 2: 1:01:40

No, and he looks like someone I know. Yeah, he looks like Bing Crosby, he looks like that. He does the drunk.

Speaker 3: 1:01:46

Oh yeah, that's, it.

Speaker 2: 1:01:50

Bing Crosby, doesn't he, though? The drunk must be being transgenic, doesn't?

Speaker 1: 1:01:55

he though. My God, please let me, before you're talking, what?

Speaker 2: 1:01:57

was that. What was the that movie, the Christmas movie the Bells of.

Speaker 3: 1:02:03

Oh, Holiday Inn. No, Holiday Inn or White Christmas. White Christmas. Yeah, there's the Bells of.

Speaker 2: 1:02:16

St Mary, I know, is you know why was? Why did they have him setting up? And is jasper? Here's a question for you is jasper the voice of the entity that's controlling all of them? I would assume. So I would assume everything. Is that, well, what I'm just seeing? Because Christopher was talking to him like a conversation and getting mad at him Back in the when Victor was taunting. Yeah, I mean, why would they have him set up like that? Yeah, he's the big daddy. Yeah, he's something I know. Is that a frame from the show, right? Or is that like a? Is that a frame from the actual episode? This is a frame from MGM that it was one of the promo pictures, okay, but that's creepy as hell, man. Yeah, I also didn't expect him to pull a bag out and stuff it in there, okay, um, but that's creepy, sal man.

Speaker 3: 1:03:15

Yeah, yeah, I also didn't expect him to pull a bag out and stuff it in there. Yeah, it's just like it's mumping, just drops them in, ladies, nothing. Right but and then, like, I'm looking over at the mechanic and he's, you know, he's sleeping and it's weird. Some of them sleep with the monster face and then some of them sleep with their regular face, and he's got a fan in a bunch of books next to him, so I'm like does?

Speaker 2: 1:03:39

he humanizes them, if I don't know he does just let her pull down there yeah, and then gosh.

Speaker 3: 1:03:47

What else was there? Um, I didn't know.

Speaker 2: 1:03:53

I thought the first time they were down in the tunnels it kind of felt like it was hard to wake them up, and during the day they were like shut off almost. And this one was like you shined a light on them and like stop waking me up, buddy, I'm, I was up late. Well, wait, the thing that was really kind of shocking was so they moved their little headquarters, yeah, and then the cowboy's girlfriend, for lack of a better term. Told her that yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:25

She's like Victor you better not come down here again, or bad things are going to happen.

Speaker 3: 1:04:32

We're going to keep you here.

Speaker 2: 1:04:34

Like, hold on what is going on.

Speaker 3: 1:04:37

She says, like I called her bouffant purse. Hold on she says you know, victor, if you keep coming down here, one of these days will make you stay.

Speaker 2: 1:04:49

I wonder how many times he's gotten threats from them Like to us. This is the first, but he's been there a long time and he's had to done some exploring and stuff and pushing of boundaries. Yeah, one other thing I just want to just go just reset. Yes, folks, I know a couple of people in the chat were asking we are normally on at 10. We decided we wanted to go a little bit early for a bunch of reasons, but I think we're going to have to go back to 10 because a majority of people like to watch it and then with the tweeting and everything else. So, lisa, you weren't crazy, we did start a little early, but uh, you can blame me for that because I wanted to, you know, get some sleep and yeah, but I'm not going to. But uh, anyway, back to what we're doing. Season three, episode six what?

Speaker 3: 1:05:47

oh, and that's what wakes them up, because henry looks at the table and he sees the scarf and he's like this is your mother's. They have had that down there. They knew Victor and Henry would come down there eventually to get Jasper.

Speaker 2: 1:06:07

So it was all staged, it was ready for those two to be right here. Yeah, yeah, it's funny you know like they're always messing with people. And some people it's like I'm going to murder someone in front of you, make you watch. And then some people it's like I'm going to leave your wife's old jacket, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:06:33

We'll just hold on to this for 15 years, just in case and yes, and someone comes back, like they all know what's going to?

Speaker 3: 1:06:37

happen. Right, you know victor tells his dad, um, that jasper knows things. And you know dad is coming from the real, real world, he has not been here for very long and you know he doesn't know his son. And you know victor says that he heard jasper tell christopher a story about this place and that they have to make Jasper tell them again. And Henry's like Jasper is a doll and that's a toy.

Speaker 2: 1:07:20

But he knows he's a doll. It's very interesting because I think we all want to just assume Victor knows more than everybody because he's been there for so long.

Speaker 3: 1:07:33

And he does.

Speaker 2: 1:07:35

Yeah, and he does, but at what point are we supposed to start questioning? It's like, okay, but you know why would it be the big ominous entity or the boy in white who might be good? You know like, speak through so many different things and why, specifically this, do we believe that it's going to be what it was the previous time?

Speaker 3: 1:08:01

Right, right.

Speaker 2: 1:08:02

And that it's not just to get you in the long run anyway.

Speaker 3: 1:08:05

Yeah, yeah it just.

Speaker 2: 1:08:08

Jasper gives me the slappy, the dummy goosebumps vibes Absolutely With a splash of Bing Crosby.

Speaker 3: 1:08:19

Yeah, I like those things.

Speaker 2: 1:08:22

No, they're pretty unanimously agreed upon. Like a very creepy, which probably you know, the whole ventriloquist. You know clowns and ventriloquists and they don't have the career they used to have 30 years ago because of beach clubs and things like that they're creepy you're just creepy.

Speaker 3: 1:08:43

They are went down after poltergeist oh cruel god, yeah, that clown he was he was.

Speaker 2: 1:08:53

I mean why I don't want to watch him, yeah, I promise movie. Now, like in terms of the effects are awful, but I will not watch that movie. I what about the exorcist? I never saw that. I'm never watching I don't want to see it I watched the exorcist and the Shining as an adult, after I'd been hearing my whole life and I loved the Shining and the Exorcist didn't do it for me.

Speaker 3: 1:09:20

The Exorcist is more mental than anything else.

Speaker 2: 1:09:24

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:25

And last year I worked on the movie the Exorcist Believer. Okay, and I'm watching them film all these scenes because most of the scary stuff happened with the kids. And so I'm watching and I'm saying to my friend I'm like, hey, I think I can go see this in the movies. I'm a huge scaredy cat when it comes to that subject matter. Yeah, I'm thinking, wow I when it comes to that subject matter. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:52

I can go see this in the movies. And then we came back for reshoots and they were filming the whole priest section. They initially the priest had left the house and drove away. In the movie but when we did the reshoots the priest ends up getting killed. Yeah, and that scared me, that whole. Like we spent a day filming that. Over and over the whole thing scared me so I go to the movies to see the movie when it's done. Wasn't scared at all. Got a jump scare from snakes the scariest stuff with the priest just wasn't in there.

Speaker 2: 1:10:34

Oh, they just got cut.

Speaker 3: 1:10:35

They cut a lot of it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:10:38

That happens all the time.

Speaker 3: 1:10:39

Yeah, it does, Cutting home poor. That did a great job too.

Speaker 2: 1:10:45

Wasn't that? That was a ghost. Yeah, that was the ghost. We were talking about an exorcist, and look what happened. Don't be that that was a ghost. Yeah, that was the ghost talking about an exorcist, and look what happened, don't?

Speaker 3: 1:10:53

I'll be your lord um. So let's switch up back to jade um, which yeah, so that was a great such a thrill to um to do that interview. We did the press junket with him this week and my mic was dead. So alex did a great job interviewing him and we got some great answers it's nice to see and turn apart from their part. And he did not give off jade vibes at all, you know I don't know, I do not.

Speaker 2: 1:11:37

I stay with him. No, I think he did in a good way. What I mean by that is going back to what we said before. He's so into the show, yeah he's so into the show. Yeah, and he's grateful that we're. We've been doing this since the beginning, just about since the end of season one and he actually thanked us.

Speaker 2: 1:12:00

I, I will say that, but like when we started talking about certain subjects, he's like I didn't really think about it that way or tell me more. And we actually had a conversation where and I think all the actors are like that as well I mean we're very fortunate that these actors, like you said, they buy all into it. Yeah, and I and I really think that, like Cliff said, I'm a fan of the show. These guys are really of the show and they more than them just wanting it to be successful.

Speaker 3: 1:12:34

Cliff doesn't even read Donna's scripts, because he doesn't get it.

Speaker 2: 1:12:39

He wants to be surprised. Yeah, that's awesome. He wants to be surprised.

Speaker 3: 1:12:45

Yeah is like I'm really enjoying this particular segment in in the episode uh that he is trying to solve the riddle and he's actually doing it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:00

This episode like, wow, he's usually just crazy talking and angry and mad and confused and all all of the emotions that come with the fantastic portrayal of that character that is him. And this episode it's like we're getting to see him work. And I was like I love this.

Speaker 3: 1:13:17

And when we first see him, he's got a picture that he's drawn of the bottle tree up on the wall yeah, and he's drawn it on cardboard. And he's got a picture of the lighthouse on one side and then on the other side he's written Camden Maine.

Speaker 2: 1:13:35

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:13:37

And then he's got you and each.

Speaker 2: 1:13:39

There's like it almost has a mirror universe vibe. There's like there's two trees in the from world and there's two trees in the Camden world, so that that, really building on what he's talking about.

Speaker 3: 1:13:49

Yeah, yeah, exactly, and he's got all the numbered scraps of paper, you know, for that one tree that he knows about because he doesn't know about the other one yet. And he's talking to, I think, lloyd at that moment and he's saying the numbers could be called. It's an algorithm. Like I'm sitting here, you know, like I'm very interested in time travel and I'm convinced that it can be done, and so, like in my personal life, I think it can be done. Um, and so he's talking about you know what happened to tabitha? Like she, she had a quantum lead, essentially where it's that one, rosen.

Speaker 2: 1:14:39

It's like another name for a wormhole, but that's it. He mentioned season one, which I was like. It's the uh, the fancy theory for a wormhole. I think it's like rosen something I think it's Einstein-Rosenberg bridge.

Speaker 3: 1:15:05

That's it, yep, that there was a dimensional rift. You know that, even if you know the Camden and the tree occupy the same space, and so it would be like if you go into the tree, you drop down into Camden. Yeah, and maybe if you, if the and only one of the two trees has the faraway hole so some trees you can't travel at all, and so who knows how many trees are actually in front, or maybe it is limited to two, because there's two in Camden. But what if someone else built faraway trees? You know elsewhere, not faraway trees.

Speaker 3: 1:15:52

You know elsewhere, not faraway trees bottle trees elsewhere and Alex, jump in right here and tell us what you learned about bottle trees.

Speaker 2: 1:16:01

OK, so bottle tree lore, as David said that he wants to know more about is said that he wants to know more about is. So I did my research and back in the Mesopotamia time, all the way up to the civil war, pre-civil war, you would have bottles, hang them and what the bottles would do is it would keep away monsters and would trap monsters. Okay, now, when they make their noise like the blowing sound when you blow into a bottle, that's the, that's the monster trying to get out. There's more to it than that. I just that's really interesting. That has to be some lore there that they've borrowed from. It has to be. It's too coincidental, oh cool, it's just awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:16:55

Now, that being said, think about Victor's mom. What was she trying to do? She was trying to. She first made the bottle tree in Damden in the public place. Then she made a second bottle tree in Amden in the public place. Then she made a second bottle tree in her backyard. She gets to Frum, for whatever reason. However, she got there. She got there, she made a bottle tree there and possibly a second bottle tree. Remember that she made them. We don't know, let's just go along the fact. Okay, this is the problem with what you guys were talking about before. Not problem, but just who for thought Talk about the faraway trees? The faraway trees have a mind of their own.

Speaker 3: 1:17:53

I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:17:55

Remember what did Victor do when he met them and showed them the faraway tree? He put the rock in the faraway tree and it fell from the sky Behind them. Yeah, right there.

Speaker 2: 1:18:10

When Julie was with the big massacre, he told her to go to a faraway tree. That's where it took her. Okay, boyd went through a faraway tree. It took them to the cliff. It's always very calculated, yeah, I mean the bottom line is.

Speaker 2: 1:18:32

The bottom line is I really do believe these faraway trees are, are um controlled by the entity, or could change, because there's no good reason that Dale should have gotten put in the wall other than they wanted to mess with these people. I mean, I know this is not a secret, but I will say there could. The bottle tree, and this is something that I'm going to be interested to follow. Bottle tree, a protection, a gimmick, or are those? Are those numbers? Are those numbers, whatever they are, whether they're dates or or or um coordinates, you know how? Does that really relate to the bigger problem? Yeah, and either relates totally to the bigger problem, where it's a solution, or it's just another piece that has to do with something else that has nothing to do with the solution, or, if we're good and evil forces at play here, it's a struggle between their evil. There's like forces fighting over where the faraway trees go. The other question is and I'll leave it on this, regardless of all that, what is good or who is on the good side and who is on the bad side of from other than the, the monsters slash entity. Right, because we figure out. Obviously the monsters are bad. But are some of the survivors bad? Are the survivors bad Because we talk about them walking dead? I mean, I always like to bring it, we like to bring it back to the walking dead.

Speaker 2: 1:20:24

If we had Negan's story in the beginning, rick would have been an annoyance For all of Neg, all the story. I know a little bit, I read the graphic novel, but but my point being is, if it was a media story and they were the hero, then it would. I mean he still was a jerk. But my point being is From a different point. That's my point, and you know who knows what it is. I'm just throwing out questions. I have no answers. I have no answers. But I do know that it would be interesting to see down the road if she tried to capture the monsters in those bottles. It'd be the spirit. What point? They're all going to get jade in the bar tonight then? Yep, right, but that's very interesting and I hope that that lore comes into the bigger picture, because that's now, I didn't know, I didn't even know, I wasn't ready for you to tell me, like, like a look back on mythology of bottle trees, and that was way more fascinating than I thought that I thought it would have been.

Speaker 2: 1:21:28

If you know well, you know what it's a big thing in the south, obviously, staying in the south and, um, you know, I I asked Lizzie, you know, because I, when you're part of different flums in your town, it's like let's just see if we can get who has a bottle tree and why do you have it kind of thing in the local tent, see what happens, their parents had it and they had. Then their parents had it because because why, and that's, you know, like like one of the things that people do in the south or years ago they used to do. For those of you that don't know, and you may have brought this up in the past, lizzie, if you buried your Civil War family member on a piece of land, you kept that land for life. So if you notice, there's a lot of family plots in the South, yeah, and one of the reasons is you got to keep it. There's a relationship to that.

Speaker 2: 1:22:33

yeah, yeah, yeah, the family plot like just the little plot of land no a land, but also that could even tie into this story, that that idea when you're seeing soldiers right in from land, right and again, and again, I don't know which and again.

Speaker 2: 1:22:52

There's a lot of storylines going on. We've got the second settlement. We have to figure out what that's all about. Which we've only really figured out is that they have creepy skeleton or scarecrows and they've got phones. And, as Kenny said, there's something else out there. And that got bigger, this episode with Tabitha's realization and they've got, and, as Kenny said, there's something else out there, which we never.

Speaker 2: 1:23:12

And that got bigger, this episode, with Tabitha's realization of her childhood in the real world yeah and then then we've got you know from proper certain for what to a better term, and I mean from a little cliche ish. Now you know what they're doing, but I just love this season that they're really it's. It's more psychological than what it was. Yes, now that I got on my soapbox, I'm done, you guys can look.

Speaker 3: 1:23:44

So we'll go back to, to Jade and the bottle treat thing. So he he says to Boyd, you know the bottle treat thing. So he says to Boyd, you know the bottle tree thing was important to Miranda. And that's when Boyd drops the bomb about there being a second bottle tree. So he tells Jade he goes off to look for it and finds it. When he gets there, tom is there cleaning glasses.

Speaker 2: 1:24:14

Boy, they zip-close that he's in now. Like you know the places they traveled, we thought like all day to Now. Then, like I'm just going to head over there this afternoon, yeah, like you know, still broad daylight, so he gets there and he's trashed.

Speaker 3: 1:24:36

You know they have this interesting conversation and Tom says to him you know, this is great. You're the drunk looking for answers in a tree full of bottles.

Speaker 2: 1:24:48

That's pretty good. It's a very fun scene yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:24:51

And then jade asks him why he's wiping the class and tom says a man does what a man does. Okay, so is that line going to make sense later?

Speaker 2: 1:25:09

you know, yeah, or is it maybe holding a mirror up to jade, saying it's almost like holding a mirror up to jade? Jade, it's like, yeah, why am I doing this? Like, why are you doing that? Yeah, exactly exactly we'll take on further. I will take that one step further. My old football coach, you say a man is what a man does. Okay, and what does that mean? You, you, you, you live by your actions. That's good. You know.

Speaker 2: 1:25:40

Jade has professed that he's the smartest person in the room for a long time and that he knows and he's this and he's that and he's this. Well, you know what, shut up and do it. Yeah, and that's the thing, and that's this and he's that and he's this. Well, you know what, shut up and do it, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:25:52

And that's the thing, and that's what Tom tells him.

Speaker 2: 1:25:55

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:25:56

Get off the bottle and start doing some real work. When we see Jade earlier in the episode, that's the creative Jade that I thought we were going to get, and instead he was allowing himself to be driven crazy by this problem he couldn't solve, and so yeah, it's, it's losing to forget that.

Speaker 2: 1:26:20

That like that, like, oh yeah, like he's not working at his, his actual mental capacity, because he's been intoxicated in some aspect. The whole show. Do you whole show? Do you think that's what the monsters want? Because think about it this way Now you've played Dead by Daylight, which I know you haven't, lizzie, so just hear me out.

Speaker 2: 1:26:40

There's this one character that all he does is he just hits you once and you have to like heal yourself, and he goes around to every single person and he keeps hitting everybody. And what does that do? It makes you want to go heal. Well, it takes away from the point of the game, which is to make the generators start so you can get out of the place. So what I'm trying to say is or maybe the entity knows that he's the smartest person in the world and he can maybe figure this out. So what is he going to do? He and he can maybe figure this out. So what is he going to do? He's going to, you're going to, you're going to make that whole symbol thing. They're going to start shooting things in his head and they're trying to make him farther away from the person that he wants, that he should be and, more Absolutely, I don't know. I mean I you know, you know but also they just took away his potatoes this season.

Speaker 2: 1:27:29

That's what I was thinking. I was like, oh, his alcohol is about to dry up because they took him away. But you're right beyond that. The sign, all these things, the wormholes, they've been going no pun intended and they have him going on, you know, but I think you're doing that to everybody too. Yeah, he's batshit crazy this season. Yeah, except I mean Sarah, they're not doing anything with Sarah.

Speaker 3: 1:27:53

Yeah, like she's the sane one. Right yeah. So Tom Jade is trying to look at like before he even leaves you know the bar like he's trying to look at nature and trying to find that pattern comes out to the bottle tree, and and tom is really just his, um, you know his but like tom is like hey, that tree is not nature.

Speaker 3: 1:28:25

nature has a design to hey. That tree is not nature, Nature has a design to it and that tree is not nature. So he's directing him away from trying to solve that problem by the tree. But then when we turn the episode, he's sitting there with Ethan and they're looking at the numbers and he's like we have to find the pattern here which is a great duo. I love that yeah, I believe they're together.

Speaker 2: 1:29:00

I really thought he was going to find something by the end of that episode.

Speaker 3: 1:29:04

He said it's going to happen, though, yeah he kind of did because he said in some these numbers the twos and the sevens are backwards. Oh. Plus, like you know, when they're comparing the pieces of paper, the first bottle tree that Jade found it's on slips of paper, you know Written on slips of paper. But on the other bottle tree it's written on bark. That's not paper.

Speaker 2: 1:29:41

Okay, so we're aging it. Or at the very least it's the older tree resources to their ability, but they had bottles. So I guess that's strange. Yeah, I don't know where they got all those bottles so I guess that's strange.

Speaker 3: 1:29:51

Yeah, I don't know where they got all those bottles, but they pulled bark off the tree and broke on the part. You know the reason why I don't want to say I know that. But the reason why I strongly suspect that is that I'm going back to my childhood when we had a wood-b burning stove. That was kind of like a fun thing. Yeah. And the wood that we would burn was birch wood, and birch wood has white bark and it's like you peel it, you could write in bark and it's like paper.

Speaker 2: 1:30:29

You could write. Yeah, I was about to say. I was like that's a great tree for that.

Speaker 3: 1:30:33

Yeah, so that's what made me think about it. And Jade remarks that the second tree is written in cursive. And what have we gotten away from in this day and age?

Speaker 2: 1:30:47

Yeah, it's old, it dates it Absolutely, absolutely so. I honestly didn't even think. I haven't thought about, I've thought about cursive, I've used cursive here and there, but I haven't thought about numbers and cursive in a long time. So it almost like hit harder. Then I was like, oh yeah, numbers and cursive. I was like that's, that's, yeah, they're fancier and and um yeah they look better they drink finer tea than us.

Speaker 3: 1:31:13

I don't know. I think I have like athletic letters, numbers, but you know, we end this when Tabitha sees Jade's drawings of the scarecrows, like they're just sitting there, like he has his moment with Ethan, and then he's sitting there with Tabitha and his book that he's been obsessing about, that mrs lu gave him, and then drawings that I think that he made of the scarecrows yeah she's looking at them and she's like she hasn't been out to that place and she's like I know these.

Speaker 3: 1:31:53

And all of a sudden she flashes back when she was a little girl and she's walking and she sees the three bloody stones that are in a circle.

Speaker 2: 1:32:06

Yeah, you know, and I only remember two in the actual shot, but not to say that there's not a third one, I just didn't.

Speaker 3: 1:32:16

It makes me I don't. I didn't recall whether there were two or three. I did, I didn't recall they're the same stones, and that's what's important yeah, like I just remembered that they had, they were had blood or they were red. I mean allison and I talked about that, like you know, that Aztec or the Mayan sacrifice, you know going up the pyramid, you know, but she's crouching behind the stones and she looks up and screams and we don't know what that is and she realizes that she's connected to this place, just like miranda had this yeah, she's.

Speaker 3: 1:33:01

She did have a piece of this before she got there yeah, like when she was a little kid and it's just like.

Speaker 2: 1:33:07

I mean, I think a lot of us have memories from when we were kids I have a dream, just like not like that, but I have a dream I could say right now that I had a million times, as I was a kid.

Speaker 3: 1:33:18

Yeah, me too. Me too, I finally figured out what it was, but yeah, it was terrifying. Anytime I had that dream. It was terrifying, was yours terrifying.

Speaker 2: 1:33:29

Yeah, it was a nightmare. Yeah, something like a monster chasing me at my grandparents' house, and then I always get stuck at the same carpet in the center of the house, which that makes me sad that I traverse normally in real life.

Speaker 3: 1:33:42

Yeah, I was in the basement. In that same basement I was talking about earlier.

Speaker 2: 1:33:49

Oh, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:33:50

I think we might have killed that one's death.

Speaker 2: 1:33:54

There's a lot of stuff to work with on this episode. It wasn't a lot of. It was an important episode. It just wasn't very action packed. No, if you're a From nerd, this is going to be amazing. It's a lot of deep dive. It's a lot of deep dive. It's very deep dive. Where do you want to go next there, kiddo? I'd say Because we pretty much Pretty much everything.

Speaker 3: 1:34:23

I mean there was the. The only thing we really didn't talk about was Marielle with Randall in the clinic. Yeah, a little bit, but yeah, yes, yeah, just a little bit, but just you know, she goes to change his bandages and he gets a first look at his face. Which those stitches were gnarly.

Speaker 2: 1:34:52

Oh wait, yeah, I can show you what those are, what the stitches. He's going to look like a joker. How will I do this. Snitches, get stitches. Yeah, snitches, get the stitches Might be able to come up with this. Yeah, a side note did you see the map of From in the trailer? Yes, I didn't see any good like drawing. I was like this is a more elaborate than typical victor's drawings. Yeah, there he is yeah, look at that I mean prosthetics.

Speaker 2: 1:35:30

Yeah, yeah, we can't keep patrick in here. Patrick's the one Great scene too. Yeah. Great work. I'm glad that they're developing them. The only thing that I'm a little disappointed with is that they really haven't developed fact that too much this season. No, I agree.

Speaker 3: 1:35:54

And when we do see her, she's not coming off in a good light.

Speaker 2: 1:35:58

And and she's like trying to do this like thing with Boyd, I don't know, it just feels like she's trying to like move in on Boyd. She's usually just moving our main characters from point A to point B, you know, specifically with Boyd for sure, but then in the, in the, uh, whatchamacallit, in the diner that you know, that's kind of what she was doing, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:36:19

I mean, she's a nice person. Yeah, you know she needs a gong to bang, but um, so she is trying to convince Randall that she's okay, but he's not buying it.

Speaker 2: 1:36:37

Yeah, I like Randall having a path now.

Speaker 3: 1:36:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:36:43

It's good.

Speaker 3: 1:36:44

I'm lying. He's through a team. It invited him to live there, but I love that he's through a team now.

Speaker 2: 1:36:50

He's not just being a dick yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:36:54

But he feels an identity with the other two.

Speaker 2: 1:36:58

I mean yeah, yeah, I'm saying, though, he's not just there to be a jerk. He said that to Boyd. He's like you know, I know what I'm here for and it's not good, like I've seen the rotten watch and I need to help and Boyd was giving him shit and it's like dude, dude, you need all the help you can get at this point, yeah you know, I wonder if well, I mean, we haven't seen the three of them talk.

Speaker 3: 1:37:27

The biggest conversation we've gotten about their shared experience was him talking to Julie you know, outside the bus before they go off to get high.

Speaker 2: 1:37:40

He's forming like the Dark Avengers and from Dark Avengers. Yeah. Yeah, no, and I think you will see them. I think you're going to see the trio and we really build on this. Yeah, briefing, and oh, we can clearly build on this. Yeah, briefly. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 3: 1:38:01

I'm just I'm excited to see, like I'm wondering what it's going to be like with him living at the clinic now and I wonder if Julie will go and stay at the clinic.

Speaker 2: 1:38:13

I don't know. I mean, she's definitely not. She doesn't seem like she's fitting into the, the family unit at the moment but she also.

Speaker 3: 1:38:22

It's kind of like she feels obligated to be there for ethan because the parents are absolutely yeah and riggi, you know, and now he's with Jade.

Speaker 2: 1:38:33

Maybe they'll be buddies and I don't know. I think also that it could be a good thing or a bad thing if they all three of them get together in the sense of Absolutely yeah, we'll know what's going to happen with the entity or whatever. I know I keep going back to that, but maybe that's the plan, yeah, getting on together.

Speaker 2: 1:38:55

Yeah, but it was really interesting how they just took him, and that's the plan. Yeah, getting on the other, yeah, but it was really interesting how they just took him, and that's the other thing. Why didn't Boyd say something Like I don't get that. Like you know, we'll shut up. Sometimes it's like they said it was a trade, like, and they'd probably be like oh, why did you trade? No, I had no choice. Yeah, honestly, randall seems like he would completely understand that. I know it's more exciting and dramatic if he is angry, but, yeah, everything's fangs Come on guys.

Speaker 2: 1:39:30

And.

Speaker 3: 1:39:31

Boyd just keeps wanting to get in his face.

Speaker 2: 1:39:35

Everyone's face.

Speaker 3: 1:39:36

Yeah, but like why? Why is he? It's like he's poking the bear with Randall. You know it's an insane gamer kid.

Speaker 2: 1:39:51

I just but yeah, yeah, and he's definitely poking the bear. Yeah, we'll see it. I mean this, I they hinted at it. They won't had him walk in looking at him and I was like, is it gonna happen now? Nope, oh wait. No, this is this episode is ninging pieces around, clearly like they're just like. Here's the issues. Right now we we're going to move these characters in place and yeah what comes next?

Speaker 2: 1:40:18

I get it. It's just, it's just bizarre. It really is bizarre out there. They're doing it, but they are doing it, that's for sure. It'll be exciting. Do you want to do your booms, or the company?

Speaker 3: 1:40:32

We've covered everything, so my boom one is Fatima. Fatima is not pregnant yep boom number two is jasper is a toy, and then boom number three is tabitha. Did see this place before she got there.

Speaker 2: 1:40:51

That's the biggest boom.

Speaker 3: 1:40:52

Yeah, that's the biggest boom. Yeah, that is the biggest boom. It almost brings the whole bracelet thing into focus.

Speaker 2: 1:41:01

Not quite yeah that's true, I didn't think about that. That's good.

Speaker 3: 1:41:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:41:06

I mean, I just know that I can't wait to see the next episode, which I'll watch after this, for 10 minutes. Sorry, randy, I'm narrow. I 10 minutes. Sorry, randy, I'm a narrow person. Somebody's already seen the end. I saw somebody tweeting. I just saw the finale. I'm like what?

Speaker 3: 1:41:24

Yeah, like we have all the episodes, but we don't watch them ahead of time.

Speaker 2: 1:41:29

Oh, okay, okay, Because.

Speaker 3: 1:41:31

I'll tell you if I had watched the next episode. It's, the chances of something coming out of my mouth are just too good yeah, the honest discussion that we're having. Not too, and I applaud your discipline. Yeah, and it's very disciplined. Like when we mentioned this last year, we were doing the press junket and I think we were with Donna Liz Saunders and Scott McCord and they were like well, you saw, and we're like, no, we're not allowing ourselves, and they're like you have episodes you're watching.

Speaker 2: 1:42:09

Yeah, honestly, I don't. I respect that. That's like you are. You are elite fans and really honest, die-hearted fans. That shows it.

Speaker 3: 1:42:21

We also know ourselves too well. The news with the schools, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:42:28

Andy, and you can appreciate this. You know, being a content creator like we are, it takes so long to deal with one week's worth of content.

Speaker 2: 1:42:37

And we're we're constantly doing stuff. You know, we gotta, we gotta do merch, we gotta do this, we gotta do that, and which is we have to do them. As much as I don't want to, we have to do them, but it just takes so long that I couldn't I couldn't even imagine watching all that, cause it long that I couldn't even imagine watching all that, because it would be like this You'd be bawling down on top of you, and the only thing about it is I can't even keep this episode straight, never mind Right.

Speaker 3: 1:43:07

You can't go all day with it.

Speaker 2: 1:43:10

We call each other all the time and it's just like what do you think about this? When we think about it, we're really having in-depth conversations for hours over this crazy show and we still can't get it right.

Speaker 2: 1:43:20

Yeah, but I just think we just love the fact that you know we found somebody else that really loves the show as much as we do, you know, and you too, because we have Chris that came on to know I wrote you. So Chris episode, he's not great, he's actually a personal friend of mine. Right, it's so weird because I actually met someone the other day that they're like you podcast on that show. I'm like, yeah, you've heard of it. Yes, I was like, yeah, it've heard of it. Yes, I was like I got one.

Speaker 2: 1:43:56

It was like a mind-blowing thing, god. Because I mean you know you look at all these numbers and if you just take our numbers and everybody else's numbers, I mean you know we're very blessed when we put our podcast on the audio only, we're getting over 1,000 listeners and that's 1 thousand people every week. And I'm not saying I'm saying that's a testament to the show MGM Plus. From that people want to listen, and that's not just us, I mean that's all the platform, all these other people that have gone on to the thing. So I just think it's really great to be able to don't take this the wrong way, Lizzie it's nice to talk to somebody else about this besides just you and me.

Speaker 3: 1:44:37

Oh, I know, I know, I just I remember when we started nobody really knew about it and we were like, wow, we got 65 downloads. That's like probably half of those were us.

Speaker 2: 1:44:52

Yeah, we keep checking them. No, but I still wait to hear your numbers when season four is in full effect. Oh, I don't want to think about season four, oh fuck.

Speaker 2: 1:45:04

Definitely need to process this season before. Well, we'll have a whole winter slash spring to assess it. So what else do you got going on, andy, besides getting almost arrested? Oh gosh, I'm editing that right now. I've got yeah, I'm about to be past October and that's the hardest month for me. So I am just trying to get to the end of the year and I'm going to take a break and just ease up on life a little bit. But yeah, I've got.

Speaker 2: 1:45:38

Uh, actually, you know what silly I have at Oregon is a is like a like a premise for a TV show. Um, that I've been. I was going to try to like kind of like gorilla film that myself with some friends that are actors, some of some successful actors, like one of my buddies in like uh, cobra kai, he's in. Um, he was at eastbound down. Um, was he in cobra kai?

Speaker 2: 1:46:01

If you don't mind me asking, rucks, yeah, he's actually just just in a, a big movie that's getting rave reviews, called the line is uh, bo mitchell. He said he and he saw, like I said, he hasn't even read the script yet. He was like he's into skateboarding too and he's an awesome, sweet dude. But I have a lot of like just really good genuine friends that are that are in on down for this project. So I'm trying to finish that script and maybe shoot it at the beginning of next year. Oh, that's awesome and um no, like I said, it's just always nice to see other people Because we don't do it. But Jason, the head of Podcast, big Cobra Kai fan it's a fun show it's fun.

Speaker 2: 1:46:44

I mean Cobra Kai. Oh, did you. A lot of your friends work on it. You might know one of my friends worked on Walking Dead heavily too.

Speaker 3: 1:46:54

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:46:55

He's a stunt double for Spider-Man. His name's William Spencer. He was a stunt double for the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man specifically, but he's been in Walking Dead for years and years as a zombie and the stuntman.

Speaker 3: 1:47:10

Yeah, it's tough when you're a set teacher. You don't often know crew. Oh right, and that is my biggest sadness, because like the crew are like rock stars to me I'm jealous you just get to work on a production at all.

Speaker 2: 1:47:26

I mean, I I'm super lucky because I get to just make weird ideas and create it and make a living off of that. But but it'd be my dream just to even help out on a project like their production. Just in general, it's so much fun. Okay, if you're in the New York City area and you're filming, let me know, because I'm already. I definitely have filmed in New York a handful of times. I got my hair ready. My skateboarding will suck. I've been on a skateboard for many years. Handful of times I got my hair ready. My skateboarding will suck. I've been on a skateboard in many years. I don't need to be on on. You're going to kick us out. It is a skate show too. It's like an office parody of a failing skateboard company. It's awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:48:09

Yeah, it's a lot of hurt in it and I'm really excited about it. So hopefully we actually can make it happen. You about it, so hopefully we actually can make it happen. You gotta get some. You gotta get some guest stars like uh, you know, uh, tony hawk and uh, yeah, of course, those guys, yeah, I've met him once. Uh, I bet, yeah, I haven't. I don't like know, know him, but I'm, he seems like he's just really into anything skateboarding like from oh, of course I mean he like loves it, he was he was at the olympics, he was at everything.

Speaker 2: 1:48:36

Yeah, he seems like a very likable dude. Yeah, no, I mean it's just, it's it's it's just, I mean I've gotten to see them when they were actually, you know, at their height in the, in the, I guess, late eighties, early nineties, right. Yeah. They were down at a break. It was like him, tab. I can't even think of them all.

Speaker 2: 1:48:57

But it was only and I'm like, oh my, this is amazing. Sorry, sorry, lizzie, we're talking, that's great, that no, but I just think it's great. And folks before you, before we go, we do want to say you, you know Lizzie's been working hard on her stickers. We also have our bookmarks, we also have the poster and we're going to be doing pre-sale for our poster for season two soon and I know everybody needs a season three poster. But you know these things, only they take time and it's a really good idea for season two and I think, if it works out the way we want to, it's going to blow season ones away.

Speaker 2: 1:49:48

I know that's but it is going to blow it away and I think we're going to probably do a deal where you, if you want to get both of them together and whatever else, and yeah, whatever. But, andy, thank you so much for spending it's an honor Always I love it this is the last minute with us. Of course I'm here for it.

Speaker 3: 1:50:16

It's Sunday night, jeremy. I forgot to mention wait hold on.

Speaker 2: 1:50:20

Next week is episode seven these fragile vibes. We're going to be having Hannah live for however long she wants to be with us, and later that week we're wants to be with us, and later that week we're going to be interviewing the most famous, most popular cop in From Samantha slash. What's her character's name?

Speaker 3: 1:50:48

Acosta, Acosta yeah. Acosta, we also have Press Day with Pega.

Speaker 2: 1:50:55

Oh, forget the note. I have Press Day with Pega. Oh, forget the note. I have press day with Pega. She's in the mood.

Speaker 3: 1:50:59

My microphone will not work that day.

Speaker 2: 1:51:03

I'm sorry, you guys live fun lives. Well, you know it's all smoke and mirrors. It really is. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors, but no, I do want to thank, actually, hannah's mom, because it is my birthday today and she left me a message I also don't read, wait, the best one of all.

Speaker 2: 1:51:25

Out of the blue I got a, a text and of course he is the nicest person in the world from jamie, aka smiley. Um, you're doing well, happy birthday, all this kind of stuff, happy birthday. I didn't know. I'll be doing right low key and I'm sorry, I'll eat you later. Exactly, that's basically what he said. No, um, it was really nice that that, uh, they, they took the time, whereas we how to forget my birthday? After you get to a certain age, you just don't want to think about birthdays. But my daughter and me we had a card, we had a whole thing and we had all sorts of good things. But again, we're going to get you back on, andy, I can't wait for you to come back on, but unfortunately we got to talk to Julie. No, I'm honored that like before. Yeah, it's like you're interviewing cliff and then I get to be the next episode and I'm like, and then Julie comes next. I mean, that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 2: 1:52:28

Yeah, you are, there's like, there's like all the all the actors he's.

Speaker 3: 1:52:38

There's like all the all the actors each bike then you.

Speaker 2: 1:52:40

so you're like wait, you're like wait there, man Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:52:43

I never thought I'd blow you cause you're the outfit when can I have the bike oh?

Speaker 2: 1:52:49

okay, we have the you should definitely have the bike on, at least for like a little like two minute Yaggerist bike in a frame. Yeah, we should actually. Yes, and we'll have to like some crazy voice. But no, thank you so much, guys, we are going to be out of here in just a minute. I just have to figure out what I'm doing here and one, two, three, get your hand. Let's do, let's go, Come on.