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64 FROM MGM+ : S3 Ep 7 "These fragile lives” w/ guest Hannah Cheramy – Julie
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Tantalizing twists and unexpected turns await as we unravel the mysteries of "From" with our special guest, Hannah Cheramy, who brings the compelling character of Julie to life. Fans of the show won't want to miss Hannah's insights into Julie's transformation from an annoying sibling to a crucial player at Colony House. With a chillingly new demeanor reminiscent of Wednesday Adams, Julie's journey is layered with intrigue and offers a protective charm over her brother Ethan amidst the Matthews family's turbulent timeline.
Join us as we navigate the show's complex web of relationships and character dynamics. We shine a light on the enigmatic arches and their possible connection to Julie and the cicadas, fueling the intrigue of what lies ahead for her and others. From the professional camaraderie among the cast, notably Simon's positive influence, to the thrilling and gruesome developments at Colony House, every moment is analyzed with an eye for the mysterious and the mystical.
The latest episodes are not just about monsters and mystery but also about exploring the profound themes of fate and free will. We examine the eerie pregnancy of Fatima, question the psychological tension within the characters, and reflect on the philosophical musings that come alive in this gripping narrative. As we wrap up, there's a playful nod to the upcoming episode eight, an invitation to engage with our community, and a gentle reminder to keep a talisman handy when darkness falls. Don't miss this thrilling discussion that blends suspense, emotion, and a hint of humor in the unpredictable world of "From.
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Welcome to the show. My name is Alex.
Speaker 3:And I'm Lizzie.
Speaker 2:And we have a very special guest. She went from the most annoying big sister to the most vital person in Colony House to a pothead most vital person in colony house to a pothead and if there's no other person than hannah sheremy, aka julie. Thank you so much for joining the show and you're one of our first like bookings, so, and you are like this little kid, and now it's been three seasons later and you have college homework, so I mean it's just like awesome, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. So how's it been this season?
Speaker 4:it's been great I've been. The season is like really, really amped up its game. Obviously I mean every season we do that, but this season especially has been ultra, ultra crazy.
Speaker 2:So I've been loving seeing the reactions from everybody and yeah, and, and that said, I mean you've been doing a lot more and we're going to get into just what you've been doing in terms of the the dynamic of the matthews family. Um, now, just so you know, folks, this is we're talking season three, I was gonna say season seven. Season three episode seven.
Speaker 3:Not even there yet these fragile lives.
Speaker 2:Just so you know, we have not gone, so we have not seen any of the other stuff. Okay, so we go week to week, uh, because we'd like to torture ourselves. Um, and going into season three, what was the biggest change that you had in terms of the character, because you know the character now, I'm assuming what was the best part of being Julie this season?
Speaker 4:I think that the best part. I mean there was obviously character shift and physical environment shift, physical environment being the weather that was that was a very big adjustment to to deal with.
Speaker 4:But I think character wise it was really interesting coming right off of um julie being locked in the stuck in the chamber and and dealing with the aftermath of that and her kind of keeping it sort of a mystery from her family people that ask her because she's just trying to process it in her in her own time. I think that was really interesting to play, just sort of like me not really truly understanding what's happening to julie, but julie wasn't understanding what was happening to julie, so it kind of created a cool balance there that's awesome and you know you did a lot with randall this year and we just saw the episode where you know you guys are driving off and randall's having he's having a tough freaking season.
Speaker 2:You know he's hearing things, he's seeing those cicadas. They're cicadas, not cicadas. Um, that's not for you, that's for lizzie uh I'll try to remember I know she doesn't. She's from Boston. That all being said, it's pretty interesting that you, marilee, and Randall, each have your own issues with the entity. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4:Yeah, definitely, definitely all having our own, and I'm not even sure if Marielle's has really been delved into that deeply, like julie obviously is hearing screaming and randall is dealing with the cicadas. But it'd be interesting to see what marielle's really dealing with, because she's much more private about that.
Speaker 3:she's been almost in denial. That's what it seems like.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just go, go, go trying to deal with the fatima's pregnancy and, like, get her mind off of it. Exactly.
Speaker 3:The thing that I've noticed most about this season is that you have been giving Wednesday Adams a run for her money, like like, oh my God, julie has been so dark and her hair is just like. It's just kind of more Tisha, like in a way it's just, except for there's not that little sunny gruesome disposition, like she is just really really dark. And then, episode seven, she's like laughing and smiling and I'm like is she flirting with randall.
Speaker 4:I mean, like what is what is going on? Yeah, there definitely is episode seven and and coming off of also I forget if it was five or six there with elgin and in looking through the the 80s clothes in the basement there it was fun to finally like have some smiley good time scenes, because everything has been so bad for julie recently that it was just been fun and I guess, like the weed helping her her cope with the screaming and actually like sort of silencing what's going on in her head, she can finally go back to being like, oh my gosh, like this is what it was like before, like I can still have like sort of a regular life in this town, regular being place that they're in.
Speaker 4:But you know, she was always kind of more of the character, even back in season one, choosing colony house where they chose to live for the day um I think that was always more julie just to sort of less about like we need to figure out what's going on in this town and more just like okay, this is my life. Now I need to like sort of group myself.
Speaker 2:Well, one one thing that I love about your character and I and I said that kind of in the intro was you went from brat to valued person to now important person. And what do I mean by that? Yes, what do you mean? What I mean by that is last episode. Is you kind of falling back to before, from in the sense of, okay, you guys are going to fight. Now I need to take care of you, know Ethan, and make sure he's okay, because, despite what you think, you guys aren't parenting. And you know what is the deal with your dad, with Jim? Is he like off the reservation or is he just like what is his deal? I'm not going to strangle him. He's being so dumb.
Speaker 4:He's not there. So I'm really torn on this subject because I am seeing a lot of Jim hate. But my thing, my thing with Jim, is that he does think sometimes it's very like, oh come on, man, like did you have to word it like that? Like did you have to say that? Did you have to like gaslight Tabitha? But there's other times it's also like you have to kind of put yourself in their shoes and and really understand like the different, different perspectives of different people that would be in the town. So Tabitha is there, being like I have these answers. We got to go to the bottle tree. We got to and she's constantly trying to get out and Jim is like sort of same as julie there, almost where it's like just slow down for a second, like your family is here, your family is all we have here and you're aiming to please other people in the town instead of like actually staying back and being with your family. So I think he's just hesitant to try to feed into tabitha's ideas about this place oh wait, a second here.
Speaker 2:I gotta question you on this for a second young lady. You had a little coming to Jesus meeting with Jim Like dude. Are you going to get your stuff together? You go to the cabin, I'm taking care of Ethan. This is not the 80s or whatever.
Speaker 4:It's like I'm torn back and forth. I'm like come on now.
Speaker 2:But other times I'm like whoa, wow, now I do have a question, if I don't ask this, because I was told in the chat that I'm, if I was let, if I will, let lizzie ask this, but um, how old are you in this season now?
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure, like I don't think it was ever revealed, but I'm pretty sure julie is like 16't think it was ever revealed, but I'm pretty sure Julie is like 16. Like 16, 17. That's what I think, like. 16 is just the age that I've always played her since Because, like season one, it hasn't been like it's been about not even a month yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not sure. I think it's just going to thrive. I think the great thing about from is that they kind of keep you also guessing about the timeline just to keep you lost in the. In the show they never actually say specific dates, so it's kind of like up in the air about how long the Matthews family really been there.
Speaker 3:But I think Julie is like, yeah, 16. Yeah, that's what I. Yeah, I was thinking that tonight because you know she mentions getting her driver's permit at 15. The thing that I've noticed about Jim that I keep going back to is that he is an engineer and thinks like an engineer.
Speaker 3:So when some people are freaking out about something, he's going into this very practical thought process where all right, we can problem solve our way out of anything, but it's just given the way this season starts and you're coming back from this horrible nightmare and there's all this other stuff going on and you know you're hearing screaming in your head all the time. It was no surprise that you just were very, you know, dark. But you didn't waste any time telling your dad or Jim. Julie didn't waste any time telling Jim.
Speaker 4:I'm not doing this again, this again, running off and leaving me to pick up all the pieces while you and mom are out there being crazy you know, I think it's really interesting because you know she is dealing with, obviously, this current situation of the screaming and the aftermath of of the, you know, mart Martin's chamber and all that, all that jazz. But I think that it's also sort of touching back to that place in her, of her when Thomas passed and her feeling isolated in that moment. So it's those same emotions from her past coming up in this moment, being like, okay, I really can't deal with what I'm going through right now and what you're putting me through again like these, this past trauma. I can't deal with what I'm going through right now and what you're putting me through again like these, this past trauma. I can't deal with that Again. I need to focus on one traumatic thing at a time. Get your shit together so I can get shit together.
Speaker 3:Yeah well, it gets to be where it's like. It's Wednesday, so it must be evens off in the woods somewhere, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Shamblesambles yeah that. That being said, you talked about dates. Um, what's the deal with you and randall versus you and elgin? I mean, it's like, come on, girl, you know it's not like that that they always say that until it is.
Speaker 3:It's not like that.
Speaker 4:See, I'm seeing a lot of shipping with both those characters and I don't know. Personally, I don't really know my stance on either. The only thing that I'm thinking is I'm like Julie is a minor and right now, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 3:And Elgin what is Elgin like 21, 20 no, no wait she's still a minor yeah, these are your choices.
Speaker 2:You have the bad boy, which is a good option because you know it's not in that area, regardless of age. Right now, you know, teaching you how to drive, smoking some pot, whatever else. Then you've got the psychotic, mentally deranged poor kid that can't go near water and we're going to get into that a little bit later of. He did the dumbest thing possible this week.
Speaker 3:I don't even understand what that was all about.
Speaker 2:I mean, like you know, hannah's going to give us all the secrets for the next couple of episodes with the, with the, with all the cliffhangers. Just wait until the end of the episode. But I do have another real question. You know you've been a child actor your whole life and how has it? What type of information or stuff? Because working with simon, I mean he's such, he seems like he's so professional, I mean he seems like he's more professional than I am at the time and and and has.
Speaker 2:Have you given him any advice or is he giving you more advice at this point?
Speaker 4:Honestly, I've probably learned more from Simon than he's learned from me. He is like he is, so he's wicked, smart and so professional and you know me and him will like goof off on set together. But the second that it's like go time. He's like okay, let's go. And he's like he's in it and he's ready to go and I'm like, oh okay, I'll follow you, you know. We're here to work I forgot.
Speaker 2:No, I just yeah, go, go go.
Speaker 3:Well, I just all right. I don't know what to exactly call it, but in today's episode, at the end of Julie and Randall, come across the arches that Boyd popped up, you know, when he escaped Martin, or in the chamber with Martin. What is it that you think Julie was feeling?
Speaker 4:I think when I was playing that scene, you know she's on a mission, she's looking for randall, and then it's just instant feeling of like draw, like just something is is pulling her and compelling her to go to this place and it's almost trance, like where she's like. It's also like maybe crazy deja vu, where it's like I, I know this, I know this place, I know what this is, but I don't know what this is and I need to go into this place because there's something so weird about it that I feel so connected to it. But I have no clue from the outside.
Speaker 3:Yeah it, just I had forgotten all about that place until the two of you come across it and I'm like, oh crap, like like some kind of magnetism is there. And you know, and perhaps because the three of you experienced the cicadas did I say it right?
Speaker 2:Yes, you did, it only took you seven, seven episodes.
Speaker 3:Whatever, whatever, but at any rate, so since. So since the three of you experienced the cicadas, it seems like each one of you have brought something home with you that's different from the other. So he is being haunted by the bugs and no one else can see them. He is being haunted by the bugs and no one else can see them, and that I think they showed that tonight, just so we could see that no one else was tapped into it. You know, if someone else was, it would have been you, or Mariel.
Speaker 3:And then it makes me wonder if this is your superpower, because no one else can tell that you're hearing screaming all the time. But if you are extra sensitive to energy, that might be a piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 4:I like the way you think.
Speaker 3:And you're not going to say anything. You know what I'm so pissed. Someone spoiled something in the finale. Because, Alex and I do not watch ahead. As soon as we're finished tonight, we're going to watch next week's episode. We won't even talk about it.
Speaker 2:Other than I'm like Carol. Now, the last couple of weeks, I've said every single time to her, I've texted what the I know that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, it seems like Pega is a pretty upbeat person and you're a pretty upbeat person, you know. You look at your social media. You're having a ball and was there like you guys needed like therapy after this season. It seemed like it was so was so hard to do because there is no light. It was a train at the. It seems like every time there's something.
Speaker 2:Now the question that we've been asking all the actors this season is what is, do you think love is the Achilles heel of from? And what do I mean by that is the first few seasons everybody was separate and the entities, the monsters. It was kind of they came out at night. We didn't come out at night. Now that you guys are working together, kenny's going up to colony house now Cause you know you and your family have, like, taken his poor house and taken the stuff out of the drawer. You know the screwdriver Jerk and no, I mean now that everybody's starting to work together. Finally, and that's been my biggest criticism, is that nobody talks. You know, because of that, do you feel that love is part of the problem in the sense of it's affecting the entities to ramp stuff up?
Speaker 4:I think that's I. I would say that's pretty spot on. You know, I think that the monsters probably are hating that they're figuring stuff out, that they are working together. Before it was kind of just they were in a place of when there was the 96 days no incidents, you know again separate. Nobody was really working together to find way out. So they kind of just were more accepting of the life and their rules and their way of living. And then the matthews came and destroyed everything and just really shook up the whole place and because you had the finger, the finger monsters.
Speaker 2:If you didn't do that, the tree wouldn't have been there. It's all your fault.
Speaker 4:It's my fault. I'm sorry. Guys, Everyone's dead because of me.
Speaker 3:I don't know what I would do on Sundays, so thank you.
Speaker 2:No, but I do want to surprise you with something. And folks, this is just for me this poor woman, when she first came on our podcast, we her do an intro. And the poor girl, I tortured her and I didn't mean to torture her, but it was. It was a tongue twister. I gotta play it for them, because do you even remember it? No, I don't, it's.
Speaker 2:You had to do it like three times because you had to say, and it's completely my fault, okay, I am totally apologizing because I am a jerk. Okay, let me just find it real quick, I know, whatever, whatever you don't have it handy, you start talking about it.
Speaker 3:Then you don't have it, oh no hi there, my name is hannah sheremy.
Speaker 4:This is the what is from cast podcast on the Podcastica Network.
Speaker 2:Poor girl had to say podcast Podcastica Network. We did it like eight times. We did it like eight times. I know I'm sorry. I will not make you do that again.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, you know we haven't had anyone do that. He was the only one, you were the only one.
Speaker 2:he asked you know why? Because after she did it I'm like there's no way I'm ever going to get anybody to tell it.
Speaker 3:I don't even know, like I can't even say it half the time, and I have been familiar with it for the last 10 years.
Speaker 4:What is Fromcast Podcast on Podcastica. I know it's like a tongue twister right we don't even say that now.
Speaker 2:We don't even say that now. We don't even say podcast because we don't even know what we are. But so what was the most surprising thing? Without giving spoilers for the next couple, next three episodes, what were you guys surprised at the direction of the season?
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I'm surprised at the direction of every single episode. There is always something that is insane. I mean episode seven, freaking.
Speaker 3:Tilly dying was. Oh my god.
Speaker 4:No, yeah, it was fatima in the greenhouse with the gardening shares, I mean I I feel like we could see that obviously something crazy had to happen with fatima, something drastic had to happen to show, like, really, that something is not wrong. I mean, that is not right within her, but that to be it.
Speaker 2:I was like oh my god, I'm gonna tell you right now you need to call a pega. Right now we need to get her on here because she has something to answer. God, stop pressuring her no, I'm just saying because that girl went from like the nicest person in the world to batshit crazy in about three seconds.
Speaker 4:I mean like she's got something to answer for yeah, I mean, peg and I were also roommates this season, so she would just come home from from work and I'd be like, how was work? And she'd go. Oh, you know, I was crying and and screaming and yeah, and I was like, oh, so very fatima of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean were you surprised at all the killing this year?
Speaker 4:No, because people are going to die. It's the nature of the show, but I think it's definitely more gruesome. I think that her eating Nikki was really you know what. I'll never be able to get that out of my head.
Speaker 2:Nikki is no good. I don't see that.
Speaker 3:That was just too much. That was too much. We know you've got to go back and do your homework. Tomorrow is Monday and I just want to thank you for taking some time out of your Sunday night and joining us, and you're doing a fabulous job. You just, really, really are. Um, I work with a lot of not that you are anymore, but child actors, and some of them don't have it. I'm just gonna say it, but you and Simon, last episode, evidently yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But I mean you're, you've transitioned quite nicely into a young adult, like if I had been your teacher, I would have been very proud.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, yeah, so have you been doing any other projects outside of from? I well as we know, I'm doing homework, so I'm a full-time student right now working on the degree, but you know nothing right now, but you, but you are going to be going to the Middle East, it sounds like, because I saw you post that. Uh, where are you going and what's that all about?
Speaker 4:I'm going to Confess Bahrain on January 31st and February 1st 2025. I'm very excited.
Speaker 3:That is awesome. That is awesome. Have you been out of like off this continent before?
Speaker 4:Yes, I've been to Europe. I've been to Europe a couple of times. We have family friends that live over there, so I've been there, but I've never been to anywhere near the Middle East. I have the most important anywhere in the Middle East.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited That'll be a big one I have the most important question of all the questions.
Speaker 4:Okay. I'm ready Are the Canucks actually going to do something?
Speaker 2:One can only hope, because I'm a Rangers fan and I'm telling you right now I'm just as frustrated, okay.
Speaker 4:It's been a rough start. I'm just as frustrated.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's been a rough start. The game I know, I know Lizzie's like what are we talking about? We're talking hockey here. I know you're talking hockey. Big hockey fan, big Vancouver Canuck fan. I just love the fact that you and your family are so sports-oriented between football and hockey, and I just, I know, every so often I'll watch on SportsCenter, I'll see how they're doing. I'm like, oh that's, I'll think of you. You know what I mean and you know all that good stuff.
Speaker 4:Who's going to have to lose? And think of me.
Speaker 2:Thank you Well no, it's nice to know that, that you know there. There there are other people that actually watch it once in a while. You know what I mean? It's just like it's just, it's, it's fun, I mean, and that's what that's. It's about family, as somebody said, the Capitals. Well, we're not even putting that up there, but, that all being said, we will, lizzie, you have anything else for her?
Speaker 3:um I? I just want her to go do her homework, as much as I want her to hang out all night, my grades will thank you, yeah, staff and the mystery person from behind that will not be named um but no there she is.
Speaker 2:Um, thank you so much for taking the time, anna, and you know, whenever you're ready to do another podcast at Podcastica, we are here for you, which will be never this year, and hopefully you don't get killed or kill anybody like your friend Pega because, I mean, you know, let's just face it. You are not allowed to go in the garden. Nobody's allowed to go in the in the greenhouse anymore, that's the danger zone.
Speaker 2:That is the danger zone, but you know, I'm just looking in the chat just before you go. Where are the the awesome comments, cause they're all awesome Of? Where are the awesome comments? Because they're all awesome, Of course.
Speaker 3:I can't find them. Why do you think Julie has distanced herself from Fatima?
Speaker 4:There's been comments this whole time.
Speaker 3:I just don't know, I don't know, I don't know. No, all right, alex, we have to let her go all right, we'll see you later.
Speaker 2:I'm kicking you out, bye thanks guys, bye.
Speaker 2:Thanks, it's anna and that was the one and only hannah sheremy that was awesome from from, and whenever she wants to just delete, she just wants to stay on there forever. It looks like she's. We kicked her out, there you go, um. But now now, folks, now that we did that, we are going to get right into the uh episode and we've kind of we've kind of given our first thoughts, uh. But you know, before we start all that good stuff, I just want to say if you're liking what we're doing, just hit the subscribe button. I know, right behind Miss Lizzie is our poster, and at the end we got a couple of other things that we're going to be doing. And so where do you want to start? You want to start with Donna now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's start with Donna. Donna, normally she's got a lot of big stuff going on, but not too much this episode. So her big thing is a conversation with Boyd about Fatima and Ellis leaving Colony House. Hey, thanks, pam. And you know, ellis, not Ellis Boyd actually takes it pretty well because he understands it really makes sense, but I think it just caught him by surprise. You know, like it's Donna and Boyd's relationship If I don't know if you guys have noticed as much as I have, but this season it has definitely taken a change, like a turn, where he has been a very supportive shoulder for her as she kind of breaks down slowly. Um, so much has been going on that know, she's been a little bit emotionally fragile and they talk about Fatima's condition and they need to figure out like they're trying to decide. Is she like Sarah, where Sarah has worms and was trying to kill people, or is she like Abby was got overwhelmed with this place and, you know, lost touch with reality a little bit?
Speaker 2:what I like about that conversation is they actually can't had a conversation and they actually kind of thought about what could it be? Yeah, it it's not. Oh, this is strange and no, we could be this, it could be that, it could be that or it could be something else, and things are not off the table, which I like finally in the show, and I think they're doing a great job of that this, this, this episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that they've started to have the conversations that a lot of people have wanted them to have, like they had the big come together meeting at the diner. We saw how well that went. So you know, donna, like I said, isn't doing much there other than bouncing ideas. You know, getting ideas bounced off of her. So she is cleaning up in Colony House, which makes me wonder why no one else is doing dishes. And Henry comes in looking for a stiff drink and she's like, well, we have nothing here, but I know where we can get something. So they go down to the gas station, aka bar, and they get the crappy potato vodka. But it's better than nothing and I think it's been improved because Jade has tweeted.
Speaker 3:Jade was on a bro, well yeah, and he's tweaked the whole system. But at any rate, henry says to her that he wished he'd never come here with Tabitha, that Tabitha hadn't found him, and that he thought it was easier when he thought that Victor was dead. And I think it would be easy for people to damn him for that last thought, because here is his child that he'd been thinking was dead all this time. But if you put yourself in his place and you think all right, my kid was 10. I don't know, my kid was 10. I don't know, I'm guessing 10. My kid was 10 when he went missing. And now here he is, 40 years later, this 50-year-old man. And how do you reconcile that?
Speaker 2:I felt the same way he did about that because I could see him. I can justify both feelings.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, it's like the old saying when you wish for something, you may get it. Yeah, Because you wish for it doesn't come the way you expect it to come.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why you have to be very deliberate when you wish for stuff.
Speaker 2:And you know this. This, this episode seven. You know it's called these Fragile Lives. Yeah, for a reason, you know I. What did you? What do you think about this? When it comes to Donna and Henry, seems like there's a little I.
Speaker 3:I don't know, donna and henry you think there might be a little something, something going on, just because first off, donna.
Speaker 2:Donna is doing what donna does, which is protect the colony house people, but it's just. It just seems like she is. Maybe it's just because she's trying to give him kids kid gloves because of victor, but it just seems a little something going on there. I don't know, I could be wrong it's possible.
Speaker 3:I mean, we can't rule anything out.
Speaker 2:It would be nice. It would be nice to have some kind of good news.
Speaker 3:Is that good news? Well, I mean, you know, anytime she needs. I think she needs a port in the storm.
Speaker 2:Basically, she needs something I mean they need a break.
Speaker 3:I don't. I think the days and times of people catching a break are over. Let's hop over to Tilly's last day. She's just kind of like touching base here and there, like she encourages Elgin about the little mobile that she makes that he made for Fatima, which was actually pretty cute. Yeah, you know, tilly talks to Ellis about Fatima and saying you know I'm here to help, you know I am pretty good at that type thing and she says that and then Ellis confides in her about the ultrasound. I mean that was like freaky, freaky. When Christy is telling her there is nothing there and Fatima is insisting that she can feel something. And you know, I mean it is from, so it only makes sense that she'd be feeling something.
Speaker 2:Well then she has that moment where her belly comes out and comes back in when Alice comes in the room. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So Tilly tries to give him hope, you know, by saying don't grieve for the living while they're still here. And she talks about, you know, when she found out that she had terminal cancer you know, and that's.
Speaker 3:it's very scary, you know, she, she says that life is the beginning of a grand adventure, or maybe it's the middle, but it's just not the end, like there's something after that, the end, like there's something after that. So we're gonna leave Tilly there for now and jump over to the diner. And you know, I think that the writers are just kind of poking maybe at me, because what does Kenny find his mom's tea?
Speaker 2:and so it's a plot just against you it is a plot against me.
Speaker 3:I I think it was just a little poke, but he finds Tian Chen's tea and as he's walking back out into the dining room, in comes Acosta and I think I'm finally getting a feel for her character. Tell me what you think Like. I'm getting the sense that she does not have much for family and that she has grown up looking for answers and became a cop because of maybe of the savior complex that she needs to help people because she might have been helped or didn't get the help. As she was coming along and you know Kenny tries to offer her some tea. She passes on that and you know he kind of tries to tell her you're not the first person to ask all these questions because she shows up like no one else has noticed all the weird things that are going on.
Speaker 2:She's the first person to notice that there's monsters.
Speaker 3:I know everyone else is just walking around ignoring it and much like a lot of people are like huh, you mean, I get a free place to live, I don't have to pay the bills and all I have to do is, every night, just go and be in the house and don't let anybody in.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you right now, those monsters are a lot easier than the bills I got right now.
Speaker 3:I was telling you. It feels like it. I'm agreeing with Papa.
Speaker 2:acosta is rubbing me the wrong way see, um, I'm sorry, papa, I think I think I love the character. Um, yeah, for a couple of reasons. One, the actress is just, she's been a couple things that I like. Um, I think she does have a chip on her shoulder, but I do think that boyd is being a complete jerk to her unnecessarily I think he needs to cut her a little bit of slack.
Speaker 3:Like we know from watching the episode that she was aiming at bank teller or bank president when she shot Nikki Right, and it's not like she came into Colony House and was a jerk about it, Like I think she was truly affected by the fact that she killed this person. Of course she was, and it's just like it's like no one's cutting her any slack about how she ended up there in her first night. Like she's like literally running from all of them and you know like it was when she like busts into Colony House. It was just all very crazy the way she landed there, you know.
Speaker 2:I think that her biggest problem is and it's kind of similar to Boyd's issue when he first got there, when they did that episode. Yeah, you know, police officers, EMS people, they're trained to solve problems. Yeah, and unfortunately this is not a problem that's going to be solved right away or way. And that's the one thing that Kenny did. Now, going back to the tea, real quick, I think that you know it was just. I mean, that's just part of that's just part of life. I mean, poor Kenny is trying to figure his way out.
Speaker 2:He keeps saying I'm all right, all right, all right, but you know his house has a new family in it that he doesn't fit in with. You know.
Speaker 3:He's not part of a family anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, His safe place is the diner and that's not even his anymore. And the one thing you know he's very cultural based, which I love. You know he's all about his culture and what do you do when you're having a problem? You get a beverage.
Speaker 3:Ie Sheldon, you know you have to have a hot beverage.
Speaker 2:I knew you were going to say that, I mean. But I'm just saying I think that that's so important to him and I think that what I love about Kenny is he is trying to honor his family, his mom and dad, every single day. Yeah, his mom and dad every single day. Yeah, that's what people don't understand about what he's doing, and he's trying not to make the wrong steps because everybody's watching him because of this whole thing. And you know, I love the conversation with him and Acosta because I always say it wrong acosta, acosta. Yeah, because she needed to have that conversation with somebody. The person that she should have had it with is boyd, but boyd's being a complete jackass because they're trying to break him, yeah, and you know I I'm just wondering if you know he was also.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, he was also probably trying to prevent someone else from being killed by her, but I don't think that that would have was gonna happen. She wasn't out to kill people. But the the one thing is that she might, you know, in a crucial moment, not be able to tell the town inhabitants from the monsters, you know. But you know, kenny tells her that she needs to adapt or lose her mind. And when she says that she's going to have to carry the weight of what she did for the rest of her life, the jukebox comes on. And I love that song. Ooh, child, things are gonna get easier. And you know the words like. I looked up the lyrics and, if anyone else did, you notice that they're pretty much saying the same thing over and over again. They're saying we'll put it together and we'll get it done.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on. Somebody is saying in the chat PM, you know I'm going to stand with Boyd, all right, fine, then Acosta was out of line and disrespectful. You don't just hold on, hold on. I you are, you're absolutely right, but it's like it's not a one-way street here, pm, it's a two-way street and you have to remember she's a cop. So her first job as a cop is nobody takes your gun, like that's a, that's like a, that's like a thing you don't. You don't lose your gun because that's your weapon. And and she also feels like she has value to offer because she's been this trained to offer, because she's been this trained. Now, the problem with that is she's just not seasoned in this place. I believe in a week or so she might be seasoned in this place, like the Matthews family, like Jade, like everybody else. Because how long have these guys, how long have they been in? From A week or two, you know, like this hasn't been this long, even though it's been three seasons.
Speaker 3:So I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I understand where you're coming from, pm, and I'm not saying that you're completely wrong. I just think that she deserves more slack because she's still trying to, you know, get acclimated to this place. But what do I know?
Speaker 3:Lisa, I was just thinking the same thing. You jumped in while I was talking about the song lyrics and changed the subject.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 3:Sorry, but the other part of the other main part of the song lyrics say and you'll just wait and see how things are going to be if you just wait and see. So that kind of scares me. Just wait and see, just wait and see. So at any rate, that kind of closes out what I have to say. And then Bacta comes in and talks about taking over the diner, which I think if she was smart she would just live at the diner and not have to deal with anybody, because she needs to take control of something.
Speaker 2:At any rate, they need to do something with the character, or else she's not going to get paid.
Speaker 2:I know yeah of something at any rate, they need to do something with the character or else she's not going to get paid. I know, yeah, like, I think, the actors, I think there's a lot of good stuff that can happen with her, but they've underused it. So let me just go to pm real quick because she's like, yeah, trying to beat me up. Uh, she's not good under pressure. The town has abby's history. No, I understand where boyd is coming from. I also understand. I don't think that she's bad under pressure as much as I don't think she's seasoned enough under pressure.
Speaker 2:I just think that she missed her target. She's a bad shot, it's not that she's under pressure, she's trying to shoot those things and she hit the window. And also Nikki opened the window shoot which she shouldn't have done. She shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 3:But the thing is, anyone standing near a window, shade open or not, could have been shot. That could have been anybody. God forbid, it was Donna, Right, you know.
Speaker 2:Anyway.
Speaker 3:Right, you know, anyway, we're going to continue and and move over to Acosta. This is after the diner. She's walking around town and she's at Nikki's grave and Boyd she comes in. Boyd is in this sheriff's station and he's seeing the place ripped apart. And he's seeing the place ripped apart. There's nothing.
Speaker 3:I hate more when you neaten everything up and someone just comes in and moves everything and everything's a mess. Well, I'm looking around my place, but anyway, acosta comes out of the you know, out of probably the jail area or the back room or whatever, and she's like I want my gun, I want my gun, I want my gun, I want my gun, I want my gun, I want my gun, I want my gun, I want my gun, give me my gun, you know. And Boyd is saying no, but then he relents and he's like I'll give you your gun back. So he pulls the gun out, takes all the bullets from the clip and hands her the gun. Oh my God, did I say Acosta's special time with Boyd? Is that the title I told you to use? Yep, love it. But what I hated about that was her getting right up in Boyd's face. It was like she was trying to pick a fight with him.
Speaker 2:Well, she was pissed and she was going to be pissed. I'm sorry, guys, you can tell me I'm wrong, but she has every right to be pissed. She missed a shot. I don she. She missed a shot. I don't even think she missed a shot. I think not that she was intending to kill Nikki, so to speak, but she was intending to suppress the monster, or it was a window, I mean, like you know anyway, I mean it was, it was, it was an accident.
Speaker 3:It was an accident. That's exactly it. It just I really don't like how she's coming into this so hard, like she's the only one that can solve all the problems. But you know she's. I just don't like how she's being with Boyd. I get that she's mad that he took her gun.
Speaker 2:Well, he came off a little strong in the beginning.
Speaker 3:He was very strong, You're right. Like he starts out with like wow, you know, look at what you came into last night. And then he just like, changes personalities and he's like I'm taking you.
Speaker 3:You know and his head spun around three times that he spit out some pea soup and I was like whoa, but at any rate, um, I just I don't know, like I don't know that she's gonna make it here, like. Well, either she's not going to have a place to sleep and I'm wondering where she's sleeping now or someone's going to push her out the door and be like I've had enough I think, first off, we don't know her backstory, yeah, reason why she's there yeah um, you know, do you?
Speaker 3:think she's connected to donna, because that's like the chit chat.
Speaker 2:I don't know honestly and I know this is like blasphemous a lot of these theories are just so. I don't I, I just want to watch the show.
Speaker 3:Um well, yeah, I mean, let me ask, does, anyone in? The chat, think that she is connected to Donna in any way. The only reason I think so is the flash. There was this flash of a look on Donna's face when she first looks at her like something was familiar about her. But it could go either way. It might.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, what are you doing here? Yeah, yeah, I, I, I really like the whole. The thing that drives me nuts is you know that Tabitha is Victor's sister and all that Like. I just don't think that's the case. I mean again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and someone posted a picture of Eloise. You know, little kid. On the wall. Yeah, and I was like you know, if you compare the little kid, tabitha, maybe, but what I don't know like maybe Tabitha was adopted and they renamed her Teloise. I don't know. Teloise, eloise, all right, let's switch up and let's talk about Victor, victor and Jasper.
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, see that I was kind of thinking about that. 2 PM. So Victor is trying to get Jasper to talk and remember when Henry comes in and the chair is rocking. I had to go back because I was like, is that chair rocking on its own? Victor hit the chair so I was a little disappointed, got to say but the magic piece is missing. There's some ingredient that's not working here.
Speaker 2:I think the ingredient is. I think the ingredient is jade. You think jade, you think it's the only logical logic.
Speaker 3:So you, think, if jade and jasper come together, he'll talk because one jasper has as appeared to jade on multiple times yeah and two.
Speaker 2:What did the, what did the monster say to victor when he was in the cave?
Speaker 3:if you keep poking around, we're gonna keep you so coming down here or whatever like it makes me wonder how many times he's gone down there oh, he's probably you know who knows? I mean, I wonder if he went there when he was a kid. You?
Speaker 2:know, I just, I just know that victor is there for a reason. Yeah, he didn't kill him. God knows, they could have killed him on on multiple occasions.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it just you know, like I wonder what, if he really heard what Jasper was saying when Christopher, when he was talking to Christopher, I mean I do not like those dummy things, those mannequin, I just don't like. Not like those dummy things, those mannequins, I just don't like them.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, who does?
Speaker 3:Well, there's got to be somebody. And when they showed it Jasper talking on his own and Christopher's yelling for me that was super scary, right. Like you know, I played with dolls when I was a little kid. I loved dolls, loved them. But you know I like to go thrifting and stuff like that and antique shops, and there's one that has a doll room and I just will not go in there Like it just freaks me out.
Speaker 2:Now Jasmine has an interesting point. Jasper will not talk to. Victor Will not talk. Victor will remember that Christopher was never talking to Jasper. It was actually the boy in white that was talking to Christopher. Now I don't know if that's true or not, but in the clip last episode Jasper was talking. Yeah, he's mouthing up and down. Yeah, and, like I said, jade has been seeing him yelling at him. So but to Papa's point. You know the basement are-.
Speaker 3:No, I went back and looked that up. The basement is for daytime. Like I went back in my notes to look it up, the upstairs was for oh wait a minute. The basement is secrets. How did? I screw that up.
Speaker 3:I don't know because I remember thinking, like when he said that to sarah it just freaked me out, but at any rate I don't know if anyone caught it. I should have taken a picture of this. But guys, go back and look at it. When victor walks up to sarah's house, he's got jasper by arm Like he's a little kid and he's dragging him along. He's like angry at him, like I can't remember laughing at, at anything and from, but it was the funniest looking little scene, victor holding him by the arm, dragging him along over to Sarah's house. And so Victor, you know, asks if he can use the basement so he can talk to Jasper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just. It was it's kind of, but what do you want to go next, Elgin?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the last three things that we're going to talk about are the big things, the real big things. So Elgin makes the, elgin makes the mobile for Fatima, and then, all of a sudden, the Polaroid just goes off on its own and spits out a picture. What's the matter, alex?
Speaker 2:I'm going to say this I hope he dies Really. Not because I want him to die, Just to put the poor kid out of his misery. Like this poor guy needs to needs to. He has been tortured, yes, and tortured and tortured. Like I feel so bad for him, but what he did today had to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen anybody doing from.
Speaker 3:Go into that place Like I was. Just like you know they've all poked the bear a little bit at different times. You know they've all poked the bear. But tonight watching Elgin, did you get my clip that I sent?
Speaker 2:I have it. I can play it with you, okay.
Speaker 3:So hold on to it for a sec, okay. So next thing you know, like it was getting so confusing I had to like break it down and and like points right. So elgin shows up at the root cellar and we see that the picture is a picture of the doors of the root cellar and and it's daytime and you know he goes in and there's some doors at the back right and let's see he sees what looks like doors closing the first door. So he opens the first door and then we see the armoire. Can you pop that clip up?
Speaker 2:All right, all right, I'm going to show you a clip of what happened in this, and I don't know if you guys noticed this. I did. Oh, you did All right.
Speaker 3:Did anyone notice what looked like a door closing in the crack of the armoire?
Speaker 2:Let me play it.
Speaker 3:Let me play it, here we go you that because, like, when I was going back and making the little clip, I was like, oh, it's just his flashlight, light from the flashlight, and it wasn't because there was something above the the beam of the flashlight that went across the crack. But then, in that notch, you see, like what looks like a door, it could, um, be closing at first a person of some kind or you know, it was definitely something okay whether it's a door or a person or whatever yeah, and like it freaked me out, I was like wait minute there's.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised I didn't gloss over it, because you know, I think Alex and I have said that when we end the podcast on Sunday nights, we both go and watch the episode that's coming up for the next week, because they've been leaving us on some crazy cliffhangers, some crazy cliffhangers, and we don't talk about it with each other, like the most we do is send each other a what the fuck?
Speaker 2:and that is it. And then you might talk a little bit about it, but we try not to right when we start. We don't want to talk about it because we want to wait till now yeah, like you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like you know, and I spend Sunday doing my notes and so, you know, I'm thinking I'm like what is wrong with this kid? All right, so he opens the first door, then there's something that goes by on the armoire and he opens it up and he sees nothing in there. And we've just seen something moving in there. So he sees nothing in there and he closes it, but he doesn't latch the hook. He turns and he walks away and he hears three knocks. I would have been running out of that root cellar so fast. I wouldn't have been there in the first place. But I'm like, what is he doing? What is he doing? And then, when he stands there, there's two more narcs.
Speaker 2:What is he doing then? You've got the bed and he pulls the mattress off and it's like there's like some decrepit body but, dude, did you look at his shirt?
Speaker 3:no it was a blue and white striped shirt. Who's been walking around with a blue and white Oxford shirt, jade, right, jade, and I'm like, all right. So people have been talking about time travel stuff and I'm like is this time travel stuff? Because I don't know how dated that outfit is. It looked modern.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I'm not even going to comment on the whole thing, because I had my eyes closed for 90% of it.
Speaker 2:Or I was looking away that that was so scary and I know we're supposed to be like this deep dive, whatever podcast. I'm sorry guys, that scared the crap out of me and it was scary, wasn't? I re rewatched it twice and I probably watched it one and a half times. Yeah, there's a ton of stuff in there and I think there's a guy listening in, Ben, who you know did some frame by frame stuff and put it on TikTok and I'm going to say God bless you, Cause that was just that holds. As soon as he went to the cellar I knew it was going to, it was a problem.
Speaker 3:Nothing good has happened in that cellar.
Speaker 2:No, and and just did he put the table Like he's going to live there.
Speaker 3:I know it was like I'm like why are you setting this all up? I just didn't get it. So then you know, he turns around and there's Kimono Lady and she's like this is where is this? He asks. He says to her, he asks is this really where it happens?
Speaker 2:Something's happening.
Speaker 3:Something that is such a huge reveal that he knows something that he has not let onto at all, other than the water. The water thing, sorry, it's like getting cold, it's hot, it's hot, I don't know. I get excited, I don't know. All right, so that was third to last of the big things.
Speaker 3:So, papa, I am going to go talk about Jim and Tabitha and out at the settlement, and Papa had said I knew the shirt. Oh, wait, a minute, that's not what he said. All right, I knew the shirt looked familiar, but I couldn't remember from where. I saw jeans and I was like that can't be one of the original three people in the cave chained to the wall because he had jeans. Okay, all right, I'm glad I'm not the only one looking at that like that. Um, papa has all right. So Papa says and for the record, I felt much love for Tabitha and Jim scene, which most of my friends hated.
Speaker 3:That's just the beauty of this show and you know there was something about that. I was looking, you know, watching Jim and Tabitha talk and she's trying to explain to him that she had a pre-connection to this place and at first he was looking at her with his engineer eyes. You know his brain or whatever he was just like. That is not logical. Then, you know, a right angle is 90 degrees, everyone knows this. If you put two right angles back to back, it's 180 degrees. That's Jim, you know. But when she just started talking about it, you know, he just he something came over him and he stepped out of his engineer brain and he went to. This was a dream that I had over and over and over again when I was a kid, and I saw this. And who is this man in yellow? This is the second time that I've heard this, so what's?
Speaker 2:happened is somebody has. Who is this man in yellow? This is the second time that I've heard this.
Speaker 3:So what's happened is somebody has Is this a leak?
Speaker 2:It's a cast member, but we don't know who it is. Or maybe I don't know who it is, but he's in the cast.
Speaker 3:I really don't want to talk about that at all or hear about it until it comes out.
Speaker 2:If he's there. I haven't seen him. It's too much of a leak. I don't even know.
Speaker 3:We don't know who we are, what he is, so oh, oh, yeah, I hear you, papa, but still I think that's what he said yeah, lizzie, miss, I mistyped. I was speaking of the Jim and Tabitha scene from last week, when they were arguing and the monsters were screaming. I love that scene too. Like it was. Like the monsters are like yeah, let's go. You know, maybe one of you will run out of the house and slam the door and we'll, you know, have dinner. But did you just laugh at me?
Speaker 2:well, this is a good point. I just wanted to refresh. You know, we're talking season three, episode seven, these fragile lives, and we're also making dinner reservations, evidently you know because they're gonna now go outside and go to the diner, have some tea and have some pot, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, let's see.
Speaker 2:Are you going to talk about the three rocks or?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I'm like. Jim lists things that I don't know what I wrote. Jim lists that things that have happened, donna, sarah, oh yeah, like Sarah, um, sarah, having the worms and trying to kill their kid. Um, you know, he he's talking about all these weird things that have happened and he's like this is not you, you know and. And she is saying look, all of those things happened here. My dreams were from when I was a little kid, before here.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:That's when, you know, jim comes to her side. So the next thing we see them walking to the stones and she's like, oh my God, these are the stones, these are the stones you know. And she talks about how she was hiding on behind one of the big stones and she, she points out which rock she had been behind and that it was scary. And what was scary was on the other side of the rock. And when she looks up, I think when she's about to see what it is, that's when she would wake up. And so Jade pops in with an interesting thought and he says Miranda said she was chosen and Tabitha saw this place as a child. And he's like you were always going to come, you were always going to see that tree in the road. So he is bringing up determinism, which I really frigging.
Speaker 3:Hated philosophy in college. I was just like if and that. And I'm like, well, I can't believe I have to spend $300 on three credits for this class, that library science biggest waste of money for me. Maybe other people would love it, but it just. You know, I went down a mini rabbit hole and I was just looking at what free.
Speaker 3:You know the difference between free will and determinism. And free will is just that, you know, people act independently of prior events. And then determinism all events are determined by causes external to the will and humans have no free will or responsibility for what they do. And you know, I think I have seen some acts like that in life. You know where people, you know, think they have no responsibility for it.
Speaker 3:But the question is, do people have control over their actions? Is that what this place is? You know? Is it a test between free will and determinism? You know, is this God in the? You know, is it God in the devil? Talking about Job, before they put them through all of those things, I don't know. Bible is not my strong point, but what Jade does is validate Tabitha, says Papa, listen to Tabitha, allow her to speak, hear her and tell her she was right. And Jim has to see her see through her value, see her value through other eyes. And I think that that's right. And you know, I feel a little stupid because the tree in the road is the tree in the road. Actually, a fork in the road. Is the fork determinism or free will? Am I putting you to sleep, alex? I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:No, I am not, I just um, I, I'm just thinking about it. I mean, this is an age old question Do we have free will or not? I mean, are we meant to be doing this podcast? Or did it evolve Like when we met each other at at um, listening to Handmaid's Tale, when you were doing, you know, was it already predetermined that we were going to podcast? I, you know, I do believe that. You know, you get signs and I and I'm, for some reason, I've been thinking of this one.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's a parable, but it's a, uh, a story. You know this, this, this guy goes to heaven and he says to God you know why didn't you help me? And he's like I did, I gave you, I gave you a raft. You know, he's like, let's say he's on an island. I gave you a raft. I gave you a tree. I gave you coconuts. I gave you, I gave you a raft. You know, let's say he's on. I gave you a raft. I gave you a tree. I gave you coconuts, I gave you this. And he just didn't realize that that that was the help. He wasn't like gift wrapped the way he liked it. And then I also go back to Under the Tuscan Sun. You know you, you may. You may get what you want. It may not be the way you want it, though. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't know how it relates, but I I really do hope and I said this last week, I believe, and I and I'm going to say this week, if the writers are listening, or whatever I hope they figure out why they're there. I don't care that they get out right away, but I hope we figure out why they're there. I don't care that they get out right away, but I hope we figure out what is the deal with this place and I think if they could answer that at the end of the season, that would be helpful. I'm a little kind of disappointed. I know we're going. We're not really talking about the episode, but just this season in general. I'm a little, a little wait in this sense, not not in the season. I'm a little disappointed that we haven't gotten more monster talking to boyd um I think that's coming.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I think it's coming too. It's probably. It's gonna probably next week, or definitely nine and ten. I just thought there'd be more along the way. That's all I'm saying when I say I'm not disappointed in any episodes. I just thought there'd be more along the way. That's all I'm saying when I say I'm not disappointed in any episodes. I just thought that that was going to happen more. But I like what they're doing in terms of they're setting him up to break.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and there was this moment when he was handing Acosta back her gun to back her gun and I was like, or when he was taught, I can't remember, but it was in the sheriff's office when she's in there and I'm like he's breaking a little bit. Oh he's broken or maybe it was in the hospital when he's looking at Fatima. There was a moment in this episode when I was like he's breaking.
Speaker 2:Well, after they left um him and christy had it out a little bit, yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3:maybe that was. Yeah, maybe that was it and you know so.
Speaker 2:So him and christy have a conversation and they're yelling together. Well, it's your fault, well, it's information. You should have told me beforehand so I know what I'm doing. Well, it wasn't my place. Oh, now it's gonna not be your place. You know they had this whole conversation and you know they're they're causing boyd to second guess himself. Yeah, you know, I don't know who it was in the chat. They had said and it could have been papa. I think it actually might have been papa. You know, when tilly dies not to go backwards, but I think it's an important point is what was she that whole day?
Speaker 3:she was a positive force she was a positive force and she was all these places like she pops in with um elgin when but my point being is what ended up happening? She died she dies yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I have another site that I'm going to make later, but but yeah, let's yeah you know what?
Speaker 3:I just found my little note, and this is in our last section, which is just all Fatima. When I'm prepping, like you know I mean, if you haven't seen it like this I make a video every week about my notes. But you know, I just go through and I'm writing down what's happened. My thoughts are in colored pencil or outlined in colored pencil so that I make sure I mention it. But back to Boyd. He's yelling at Christy to do her job and figure it out, like it just it surprised me the tone of voice that he was using with her, because they've always talked peer to peer. He's always talked with her, to her with respect, and I was like he's showing his cracks and they are breaking him.
Speaker 2:I go back to a Casa is. I don't think you would have reacted the same way in season one or season two I don't think so either.
Speaker 3:I don't think so either. I think you're absolutely right. Like what? I wonder if her? I all right, don't laugh too hard, but I'm wondering if her name and it's because of the way you're saying it Acosta Acosted. I wonder if that's a play on her name, if that means something, but at any rate.
Speaker 3:So let's finish up and talk about Fatima. So she's told Christy about the cravings. Christy is taking all the different pieces and putting it together. I mean, the main piece is that with the ultrasound they see absolutely nothing. They're looking at her uterus and there is nothing in there at all, and so she's just like.
Speaker 3:All I can think is that this is a psychosomatic pregnancy, and the thing about it is we don't know anything about Fatima before she gets to from other than she can't have kids. And here she is popping up pregnant, right, that is all we know about her. And Marielle astutely points out Boyd's worms, sarah's voices and this is kind of like the second time we've heard this in the episode, sarah's voices. Here's Fatima popping up faux pregnant, right? Could all three, could the three be all that different from one another? There is something foreign in their bodies, foreign in their bodies.
Speaker 3:So, you know, fatima becomes volatile because she is absolutely convinced that she's pregnant. She is not acting like herself. We've never seen her so angry and she's a mess, like you know. It's funny Like Hannah and Pega were rooming together Hannah was on earlier if you weren't here, and they were rooming together during this last season and Hannah's, you know. Pega comes home from work and she's like how was it? Today? She's like, you know, I was crying and yelling the whole time. That is not the Fatima that we have known. So Mariel goes to Colony House by this place, you know, because Marielle was taken over by the cicadas.
Speaker 2:Cicadas.
Speaker 3:Cicadas, I try so hard.
Speaker 3:I try so hard, and so Fatima refuses to think it's the same thing for her. Fatima says that she's eating garbage because it is making her like she doesn't have a choice. You know, and that has. You know what I identify with, that. That happened to me this week with this bag of Rolos that I got in my target order and you know what. They're gone now, so you know it won't make me eat them anymore. So Fatima feels that no one is listening to her. You know that she is pregnant, that she is, you know, feeling this. Ellis reminds her that she broke down in the sheriff's office when the bus came, because remember when cowboy hat and shoulder bag they're at the door.
Speaker 2:I remember that she was beating on the window.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like it was crazy. You know, fatima tells Ellis that her stomach is growing, that it is getting stronger, and when she said it is getting stronger, to me that sounded like an entity versus a fetus, right? She's angry all the time. If the baby isn't real, then it means that it's her, like something is wrong with her and she needs for it to be a baby because she is not wanting to fall victim to this place. Let's see. But if Lizzie is right, then she should eat the rotten food, feed the baby, get healthy, have the baby and move on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, easier said than done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, fatima, and you can speak to this, alex. Fatima looks at the IV and it's all like red where the needle went in. Was that the skin or was that blood? That's her body, rejecting it right.
Speaker 2:It could be or it could be. There's a whole bunch of reasons. When I saw that, I thought it could be the line got bad. I mean, it could be a whole bunch of reasons. They could be. The monsters are messing with her. I mean, unfortunately, conventional wisdom just doesn't play a part in this. Yeah, or it could have been a hallucination, Like Lisa said, that she was hallucinating.
Speaker 3:It was looking like that.
Speaker 2:I't think she was. But at the same time you probably are right, because the whole stomach thing, you know where her stomach went in and out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean, she sees it, she turns and throws up into a bowl and then she's in pain and like all right, what did you think when, all of a sudden, the stomach is sucking up under her rib cage?
Speaker 2:exactly I was thinking. I. I was thinking all right, what I? What I was thinking after it all happened when Ellis came in. It's kind of like what happened to Sarah. You know, they're setting her up to look crazy.
Speaker 3:I thought that it was eating her from the inside out.
Speaker 2:I think that it's going to make her a monster I hope that's what I thought I don't like who knows, we don't know yet, but that's what I thought and I was like trying to think the only reason I don't like that theory it's not because I don't like it is because victor's never said that someone has become a monster before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if you look at the clothing of the monsters, I get it. No, I'm just going to say they predate Victor. True. You know I just I mean. I think he's been looking at these same monsters the entire time that he's been there I mean the way everybody is talking about the theories I'm saying, including what you said.
Speaker 2:it's like from his resetting. Yeah, I mean, and again, I'm not, I, I don't, I don't think that's it, but I just think that you know, if that's the case, that kind of sucks Like if it ends up, if it ends up that there's a different victor and like a bunch of these people end up being monsters and that's how it ends. That's going to suck.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't, I I really don't think we're gonna know by the end of the season no, I don't mean this season, I'm saying when it's over as long as I just it's not like lost where they were dead the whole time and they told us. I mean, you know, but Ellis comes in and all of a sudden her stomach goes back to normal and it's even pushed out a little bit.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:As if she's starting to show Right. So Ellis runs down to the clinic to get some antipsychotics. So he's fighting with Christy about it. Boyd makes him give them back. Ellis feels helpless and he's trying to stop things before she becomes Abby, you know, like that's what Ellis is afraid of. That's what Ellis is afraid of having to see someone he really cares about, you know, become a victim to this place. So while Ellis is gone, fatima goes on out to the greenhouse. She's a little bit hungry and she looks at the rotten vegetables. Um, oh, I don't know what mariel's last name is, but could be. But why would tilly have anti-psychotic drugs if she?
Speaker 3:I thought that was more like morphine stuff, yeah she had like painkillers because of her cancer yeah, so at any rate, um, fatima goes out to the greenhouse and she's looking at the rotten vegetables, which I'm kind of wondering why they're still there. Um, because no one really knows that she's eating them, unless she hid them. Tilly comes in, fatima says to go, and then all of a sudden she just takes the. You know, she knocks Tilly down, takes gardening shears and stabs Tilly, takes gardening shears and stabs Tilly. The last thing Tilly says to her is you have to run. And then she dies All right.
Speaker 2:So, that said, this is a good point. I put something together, a little PowerPoint type thing, on Tilly and it shows what you just talked about, so let's take a look from beginning to end. Thank you. So you never mess with a pregnant woman.
Speaker 3:Or one that isn't really pregnant.
Speaker 2:Who knows what's happening, but for those of you listening on the audio podcast, we did a little tribute to her and Tilly, yeah, and we'll post that up on the YouTube channel as well so that you guys can see that. And you know it's interesting what she meant by you have to run. Now this is my crazy theory. If you want a crazy theory, who's to say? I mean, I just said in one breath she had hope and now she's dead. She was hope, yeah, but you know she still could have been part of the bad guys. You know, because she's pushing, still could have been part of the bad guys. You know, because she's pushing when you I mean, you could make a case her positivity was pushing buttons to fatima, so they were doing it inside and out again.
Speaker 3:Uh, I don't know, but because I mean, that is like the worst fatima could be, like she is miss sunshine right and she has just gone off into to the other extreme yeah, I mean I, like I said, I don't know if she knows anything or not.
Speaker 2:She could just be a old broad that just you know as cancer and but what if?
Speaker 3:what if that was something that she saw as she was dying?
Speaker 2:You know, it's going to play out. But I just think that you know not that I'm getting into your territory where everything means everything Like the color of the tears, but I do believe that they could. They could do a like a tilly. She was really part of everything, maybe not knowing it or you know what I mean like she was being controlled, because why would she say what she said? I mean, you know, and why would they make such a point about it? I don't know, I mean. That's why I'm like interested to see the next episode yeah yeah, you have to run.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 3:It's like what does that mean? You have to run. I'm writing it in big letters in my notebook you have to run so um do you have any booms?
Speaker 2:you have no booms this week, right?
Speaker 3:it was three big things like those were the booms? Basically, boom, elgin neatening up his own cop. He knows something that we don't know. And then boom, tabitha definitely saw this in her dreams. And then boom, fatima kills Tilly. Like Fatima totally, and I don't know that. I'm gonna watch it. I have to get up early for work you know.
Speaker 2:That being said, we're gonna be looking at you know episode. That being said, we're going to be looking at you know episode eight next week, but before I don't even want to, because it's the end is so close called threshold, so who knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Folks, one of the ways you can support the podcast is going onto our site and being a $5 a month member or buying a poster. Lizzie's got some other things that we're going to be doing as well buying a shirt or a mug. I just want to take the time to thank everybody, because you know, we come up with this stuff and we're not sure if it's going to sell. I mean, yes, we knew the shirts would sell, but we did a poster and you know we're going to have to do another run of it and I think that's going to be awesome. So you know, I'm going to give it to you.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm going to give it to you, okay, I'm going to show off. We have four stickers and another two on the way. So I took let's see, I have, there's a three-piece set of the talisman, the lunchbox, and then I took this piece out of our poster because you know, we lost our Mrs Lou. So those three come together, then a single, which is Mrs Lou, with the diner, and I have the bottle tree, which is my own art. That I did. And then what I did, I write a zombie apocalypse series and I have my own bookmarks.
Speaker 3:And what I started doing was, I don't know, I just couldn't. I guess I'm like I've got to embellish stuff. So what I did was I created bookmarks from the poster and you can get them plain, you can get three of them without any embellishment. They come together. It's just these three that I'm going to show you.
Speaker 3:But what I did of course you keep flipping the wrong way is I do little artsy stuff, and so there's a little disc that says from, and then little stuff here, and this one is from the poster. Of course, a sliver from the poster. I have this one where it's got Boyd and Victor, and it didn't flip over this time. So the same little disc with a little doodad on it, and the last bookmark is another sliver from the poster and you know the same thing from why is it like floating around? So anyway. So if you want to go to our Etsy page, just, it is very simply the what is from shop. That is it. That is what it's called, and these embellished bookmarks are being sold singly and the price does include shipping, and I think they're $10. I don't know, but I was just sitting here looking at them the whole time and I'm like they look so good in their little cellophane wrappers. So, alex, I'm done if you want to come back and again.
Speaker 2:Folks, you know, just go to what is from shop. We've got a little bit of everything there, from lee shirts what is, you know, sunday is from day shirts to mugs, to now all this good stuff, and we're going to be doing a pre-order for season two poster as well.
Speaker 3:We have not seen it yet.
Speaker 2:We're just waiting for Kirk to give us a rough draft so we can start getting those pre-orders. Like I said, folks, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to listen to us. I want to thank Hannah for taking the time to come to us. I want to thank Hannah for taking the time to come on down. Like I said, next week season three, episode eight, I'm pretty scared, but it's got to happen. So we got to do what has to happen. So that means that we are Wait, hold on.
Speaker 3:I want to thank everyone for coming. Thanks for coming live and joining us and commenting and everything. I appreciate it so much and it's fun to interact, so I hope we see you again. And someone asked if you go to Etsy. It is what. What is from shop. You should be able to find us if you search for that under shops.
Speaker 2:So thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks so much, and it's dark out, make sure you have a talisman. Goodbye, oh wait, wrong one Did it again. Goodbye Second time. Get your home, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on you.
