65 FROM MGM+ : S3 Ep 8"Threshold” w/ guest Nathan D Simmons "Elgin"

Join Alex & Lizzie for an chat with Nathan D Simmons as he takes us behind the scenes of season three, episode four of the hit TV series "From." Nathan opens up about his experiences filming in Nova Scotia and the unique camaraderie among the cast. We take a closer look at his character, Elgin, and the layered question of whether he's a hero or an antagonist. Prepare for a discussion filled with twists and turns, as we ponder Julie's mysterious rope incident and the fascinating theme of time travel that keeps the audience guessing.

Love is in the air, but is it a blessing or a curse for the characters of "From"? We dissect how love weaves through the narrative, sometimes serving as a lifeline and at other times as a vulnerability that could be the town’s undoing. From Fatima and Tilly's trials to Sarah's suspicious reappearances, relationships take center stage, adding depth to the plot. We also share hilarious moments and pop culture references that add levity to the show, including a comedic nod to "Leisure Suit Larry" and its unexpected parallels with the series' cyclical storytelling.

In the midst of the narrative twists and character dynamics, we unravel the town’s mysteries and speculate on the potential of time travel. Victor’s meltdown and the enigma of the faraway tree provide plenty of material for debate, while the cryptic hints of the boy in white keep us on the edge of our seats. As we express gratitude to our listeners, we also highlight upcoming interviews with Samantha Brown and others. This episode promises entertainment and insight, ensuring you stay hooked on the unraveling secrets and emotive journeys of "From.

Chapters

• 0:02 Nathan Simmons Interview About TV Show
• 15:11 TV Show Love and Intrigue
• 27:55 Behind-the-Scenes TV Show Insights
• 39:51 Family Dynamics and Relationships in Show
• 48:15 Exploring Character Development and Relationships
• 1:02:43 Speculating on Video Game Characters
• 1:09:00 Town Mysteries Unravel
• 1:25:19 Analyzing TV Show Plot Twists
• 1:41:42 Podcast Interview Updates and Gratitude

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Joey, how do you know my name? Your name is the rope. Please, who?

Speaker 2: 0:18

is that. Hmm, ah, hmm, one gets to go. Welcome to the show. My name is Alan.

Speaker 3: 0:54

And I'm Lizzie.

Speaker 2: 0:56

A is from the person that we wanted to talk to, because we got a bunch of questions for this guy. Yes, sir, and it's none other than Nathan D Simmons, and welcome to the show man. Thank you so much. Sunday is Frum Day and you are in the center of it all. How are you doing?

Speaker 4: 1:16

I'm doing good. I'm doing pretty good man. Yeah, I actually just got back. I'm here in Nova Scotia right now and I just got back from um, from pegas house, and we watched uh, watch a little like from gathering, like just really the new episode there together. It was fun watching. Peg was in the front of the theater and I was in the back, so yeah, and we had our own super teams, yeah we actually had to interview her um a couple of.

Speaker 2: 1:40

It was either last week or the week before, when she was, yeah, when and she didn't give up much. Man, she is like I mean, damn, I know some security.

Speaker 4: 1:55

I mean like damn girl, she's good, she's good.

Speaker 2: 1:59

She's good. Before we get into everything, I just want to remind everybody hit the subscribe button, which is right down here and over there. It's in the corner Right, lizzie.

Speaker 3: 2:11

Oh, I'm talking to Taryn, sorry, okay, whatever.

Speaker 2: 2:15

Whatever, Taryn Also, folks, I want to congratulate you or thank you because we hit over 751 uh subscribers and that mean we're at 751 751 oh, okay, I thought you said over, wouldn't that be 752? Well could be, I don't know I don't know but anyway, anyway, I'm sorry. You know you have to deal with this. You know you have like so much better stuff to do, right? That said, we are talking.

Speaker 3: 2:49

He's texting right now he's doing a lot. His bag is like are you on with those two losers.

Speaker 2: 2:55

No, I'm not. Did you send? Him a picture like this, like the two losers, no and it would help if if I actually had the right um episode in, because I forgot to add it and we are talking a season three, episode four threshold and I probably spoke wrong and there was a couple of things that happened with you this episode. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 3:23

Yeah, what is? Did you really hurt your foot? Or like you were totally lying, yeah?

Speaker 4: 3:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he pulled out his ass, yeah, that was a lie, yeah. I didn't want you know. We wanted to know that I was going to go through the um, the, the, the medical cabinet, right. So it's a lie. I pulled out.

Speaker 2: 3:46

Yeah, so yeah, I pulled out. Yeah, yeah, before it's fine. So the question, the question we have for you is and I think I know the answer to it because you know um are you good or bad?

Speaker 3: 3:53

oh, I'm good, absolutely, absolutely yeah are you just saying you're good and then the rest of the sentence is at being bad, bad?

Speaker 4: 4:01

no, no, no. I hey, I I'm elgin, is you know he's, he god sent he's, he's good he's he's still a good guy yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah no, everything's doing.

Speaker 2: 4:13

There's a reason.

Speaker 4: 4:14

There's a reason. There's a reason. You know everything he's doing. You know with like fatima even with fatima, like he's saving his life. You've seen that episode. You've seen the episode right like they're, you know, probably gonna have to go. Donald's gonna report. She's going to end up in the box. He saved her life.

Speaker 3: 4:30

She doesn't know that I don't understand that yet. Is that how you sleep at night?

Speaker 2: 4:33

I'm going to tell you right now we can say some really bad words. You're full of shit.

Speaker 3: 4:41

No, no, no seriously, you know what? I think this was the good night to come on because I just want to give you a hard time. I'm like you're dragging the poor pregnant girl down the stairs.

Speaker 2: 4:53

I mean gently, gently, gently no, when you start to talk to the other podcast people and all the other stuff, this is what you should tell them. Did you see the raggedy shack that she was in? I was exactly. You know what I'm saying. I'm just trying to protect her. I had a bed. I had a dead guy that looked like it was jade that was the core I'm writing it down.

Speaker 4: 5:17

Yeah, I'm writing it down yeah, I bet you are.

Speaker 2: 5:20

I bet you are. So you have had such a great role this season, I mean compared to last season and everything that's been going on. When you guys, when you read I want to jump back to our opening scene when you read in your table reading for the first time that Julie throws that rope, did everybody just gasp.

Speaker 4: 5:43

Yeah, I was like we were like what the fuck? Like what's going on? Sorry, if we're crazy. Like what's going on? What, wait a minute? She grabs the rope, Like it just set my mind a blur, like really.

Speaker 4: 5:55

And I think, like I went back and viewed a bit of, like you know, season two, especially that whole scene, and season two, especially that whole scene. Hey, this was planned from the beginning. There's this plan from the beginning and also I was happy because I felt like I'm starting to there's more mystery, but in that mystery I'm starting to get a few questions that are starting to get answered to it all.

Speaker 2: 6:19

You know what Some people have said that this episode was boring. And if they did, they don't understand shows because there was so many jam packed information. Oh my God. We've got time travel. We've got whatever the hell you got going on. We've got a monster baby. And then we just got Jade, who's the greatest no offense, he's the greatest character on the show. I mean, I know you're a good character, but I'm telling you right now, he is the reason why this show is just off the charts.

Speaker 4: 6:52

Batshit crazy it's true, the deeper he goes down I find that the deeper Jay goes down these rabbit holes. That's where we go as well, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 7:06

It's like the questions we're asking. He's trying to decipher and we finally got to interview David and you know how they say you should never interview the people like you because you never, know Him and you, actually the whole cast, have absolutely been over expectations, every single one of you, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 4: 7:28

I know.

Speaker 3: 7:28

Lizzie actually has something to say and I won't let her talk. I was just going to say, when we were interviewing David, that has been one of our must-haves, because he's elusive. It's like trying to chase a greased cat or something. He's like elusive. It's like trying to chase a greased cat or something. You know, oh wait.

Speaker 2: 7:47

I forgot one other big thing that somebody else mentioned. Oh, just the boy in white explained the whole freaking thing for us.

Speaker 3: 7:53

Oh my God, Let us get there.

Speaker 2: 7:55

I'm just saying there was a lot of stuff that went on, and so can you tell us a little bit more about the camera, I mean, other than the fact that it's possessed by God knows what, and every time it does something you freak out and start having to, you know, do something crazy.

Speaker 3: 8:13

Yeah, it's like you have a little task to do.

Speaker 4: 8:17

Yeah, well, I think, the camera now for Elgin. Like you know, elgin has a slap still right, since you know the events of last season. I mean, he tried to sleep and when he was trying to sleep a crow flew through the window and woke him up, right. So he hasn't slept. But when he's sleeping for the past, you know he would have these premonitions, you know these visions, or whatever you want to call it, and you know that eventually ended. But in that now he has this new type of spiritual guide and this Kimono woman who's speaking to him through these polaroids, telling him what he needs to get to complete the mission, to complete the task.

Speaker 2: 8:58

Does he know exactly what the mission is?

Speaker 4: 9:02

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:03

Yeah, yes, absolutely that's why, he's complicit.

Speaker 4: 9:06

When the Komonwunamu was asking for his help, she was also explaining to him what he has to do. That's the only reason why he's going out, because that's one part of Elgin he wants to try to help people and save people the best that he can from how he can. This is another moment where he feels like it's a place where he can actually do some good, you know.

Speaker 3: 9:31

So because, like when you landed from, you wake up on the bus.

Speaker 4: 9:37

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 9:38

And you were having a really bad dream. Bad dream so back, way back when, when we asked you what you were dreaming about, you were like I don't know, Did you know?

Speaker 4: 9:54

And you just weren't saying no, no, no, I still. I knew. I know, even back then, like I know, I had to do something with what's going on, you know, in the town, maybe something in the future, some type of message, but yeah, I still don't know. You know it's something that's still up there on the phone. Sorry, this is something that I still need to it's a kimono woman. Yeah, it's a kimono woman I'm talking about too much.

Speaker 3: 10:16

We got two words for you, nathan kimono woman, and you're just like I don't even know what to do with that. Um, so crap. Now I forgot what I was gonna ask. Forgive me, you know.

Speaker 4: 10:32

Oh no, go on, do what you normally do yeah, I'll finish off too, like the dreams, like what I do know, like, um, to articulate it better, like I didn't know that the dreams did have something to do with the town or some bad that has happened or was going to happen. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 10:47

But I didn't know what that dream was. I still don't know what that dream was right, but what I do know now is that I got a camera that is almost, in a way, serving the same purpose of showing me things that Elgin needs to do in order to help the Kimono woman, and from you know, elgin Siren. Now it's something good you know.

Speaker 2: 11:08

So could you answer this for us the body that was in the cellar, sorry, yes, yes, yes, yes, everybody thinks it's Jade. Everybody thinks it's Jade. The question that I have for you was one it was that a dream? Two, was that a real body? And three, you tell us right now is it jade or not? No, I'm just was it real or was it a dream? That's first off.

Speaker 4: 11:36

It's real it was real, okay, it was a. It was a real thing. Yeah, yeah, real okay so there's no way.

Speaker 2: 11:43

Well, for now it was not Jade, we don't think.

Speaker 4: 11:47

Yeah, yeah, I can't answer that. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 11:50

No, no, I understand that. No, no, I'm just saying I'm wondering.

Speaker 3: 11:53

I'm wondering because the detail on the shirt of the guy in that room it's little circles that look like stripes. It's little circles that look like stripes and I don't think we've seen that same detail on Jade's blue striped shirt and someone can tell me I'm wrong or not, and maybe if someone in the comment section can do a quick check and see if they can find out. That would be great.

Speaker 4: 12:28

But I've never noticed that detail, what's's that? It's also a darker color too, so maybe for me, especially being there looking at it, I think oh, I didn't, it didn't even pass my mind like it reminds me anything similar to like jade or not, right well, yeah, to that point, there's been this whole theory that I want to say, ahsoka, it's not the cop, oh shoot. Acosta.

Speaker 2: 12:51

I keep wanting to say Ahsoka, because I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I keep thinking that there's this theory, which I never even thought of, that she's Donna's long-lost daughter, or something.

Speaker 4: 13:07

That is a theory Making my interest.

Speaker 2: 13:10

Exactly and we actually interviewed her and I have to post it this week. But it's weird because when I said it to her she's like oh, that's interesting, and she looked like she was just totally like what.

Speaker 3: 13:28

But you could have been acting too.

Speaker 2: 13:30

No but true. And Liz did the same thing. Like what? And you're looking the same way, but then, again. You take your own blood and stick people into cellars, but you're a nice guy.

Speaker 4: 13:47

I'm a nice guy. I don't know what do you feel about me right now. Can I get an? Honestly, honestly, yeah, I don't want to be alone with you now.

Speaker 3: 13:57

I'm glad, alex is here. I don't trust you anymore. You've broken my trust, and you know what it fits right in with this week.

Speaker 2: 14:06

so there we go no, I I think that you are just like fatima and you are possessed by something, or you have something inside of you, not necessarily the worms, but something that's controlling you.

Speaker 3: 14:26

You're under the influence, so I'm giving you a pass.

Speaker 2: 14:29

I do think you're an awful person, but that has nothing to do with this. No, I'm kidding. I have no idea Nothing to do with this?

Speaker 4: 14:36

Oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 14:37

No, I mean what I do. What I did find really interesting was that you and Randall kind of made up in the sense of dude, I'm not crazy, this place is messed up and you know, he's got his big old scar. He's like, yeah, you know you were right. So we asked this. We asked this, I think of of you earlier when we talked to you before the season started, and again, thank you for doing that. And the more and more the season comes to an end, this question, I think what we came up with, is more and more relevant. And do you think love is the achilles heel of from in the sense of anytime there's any good, something bad happens, ie till he gets killed? Ie, you know the one person that's like the joy of from as a monster or something in her, I mean. So what do you think about that question now?

Speaker 4: 15:48

Even I feel I do, I feel more so. I think love is still important where we're from. You know, I feel like in every angle, you know people are trying to attack, you know, that concept of love and try to attack those unions, and I think that's kind of something that this season, a theme that runs through, is like something is always challenging. You know the town, right, and so there's a lot of people whose relationships are being challenged and severed or whatever you want to say, like Fatima and Tilly. You know they start to develop a nice relationship together and then she's gone.

Speaker 4: 16:25

I think the town's getting it, but I feel like, also, through those trials, I do feel that, because of love, I feel like it has to end on a positive note, right, I feel like, or else the town's going to implode. You know, like you've seen in this episode too, Boyd and Ellis, their, um, their relationship is starting to get rocky and now, you know the hero, elgin, comes and save them again. Now they're back together, right, like they entered the barn, and now they're like, oh, shoot, like while they're fighting.

Speaker 2: 16:55

they see, right, right, right right, I think. Now one other question, and then I promise I'll let Lizzie talk, because I know she's chapping it a bit. When you saw the kimono girl with Tilly, was that a dream or was that real?

Speaker 4: 17:15

When you were knitting together. Yes, that was a dream. The first thing that I tried, I think I just did say I think I said something earlier in the season of like whenever I try to sleep, I can't sleep. Whenever I sleep, this person is think I said something in the earlier in the season of like um, whenever I try to, I can't sleep, whenever I sleep, like this person's following me or something to that degree and that's that is. Uh, that that was a dream, but it's also real because this lady has it.

Speaker 2: 17:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah Okay.

Speaker 4: 17:34

No no.

Speaker 2: 17:39

Um religion, aka the the worst person, no, the best person in from that's just trying to deliver babies with his own blood. All right, it's all you I don't like.

Speaker 3: 17:50

What is that blood bag thing? What is that for?

Speaker 4: 17:55

um, I can go see the next episodes okay, there's some importance too.

Speaker 3: 17:59

Yeah, okay, great, yeah, um, talk to me about putting that needle in. Like, what was that whole process? Was that an insert from someone actually getting it done?

Speaker 4: 18:13

No, no, that was a. It was a prop, I think, I think Julian, I think, made. But it was like it was like an actual needle thing, but it wasn't pointing. And when you pressed it like um, an actual needle thing, but it wasn't pointing, and when you pressed it it slid into the uh into the shaft or whatever, and that was, uh, yeah, that was it, but the part that I found was harder.

Speaker 4: 18:31

Hard about it was that it was a metal rod and I had to try to push it in, but every time I try to push it in it wouldn't move. So I kept trying to. I had like force, it kept pushing and then, yeah, and it felt it started to feel the needle yourself, man. Yeah, exactly, give me a real needle. I'm starting to feel a bit too real. I hate needles, right? So I was like, oh my God, this is feeling a bit too real. Thought I wasn't supposed to pinch or anything.

Speaker 3: 18:51

Yeah, it was a prop. Yeah, I mean, I get a lot of blood drawn over. There's been a lot in the last couple of years and I watch every time. I am fascinated by it shooting up into those little tubes like yeah, I'm, you're joking, I'm part vampire, I swear to god.

Speaker 2: 19:15

like well, you know what. You're in luck because he's your guy, because if you want a baby, there you go he's got yeah, I'm your guy, I'm telling you, it's gonna be, it's gonna be elgin md after this, it's gonna be a spin-off.

Speaker 4: 19:30

I'm trying to get you more work, man.

Speaker 2: 19:32

Thank you, alice, thank you, thank you you know what somebody's got to do it I'm, I'm your, I'm your, I'm your hype, um, so, so that, that being said, did, did you think that? Or what is your take? I know you're a watcher of the show, because you guys all watch it together. What, what is your? I know, you know what's going to happen, but, like, what are you and the cast thinking about? Like, in terms of how this is all going in your own mind, like because I know you're watchers of the show as well as in it. So like, when you're getting these new, new nuggets ie, you know how, how the rope was thrown, what you're trying to do, you know what is the. Is the cast just like? This is just great, you know they're doing all these monsters, all this, this other stuff. Or is it just like I don't know what's going to happen next? I'm just waiting for the call from John so I don't die. That's more like it.

Speaker 4: 20:30

Yeah, that's, that's more like it. Yeah, I feel that's something that I think a lot of us were feeling this season. It's felt like a lot of people really did feel like on edge, like they could be the next one's gone. I think they set they set up a season really well with that. I remember we were talking to AJ and everyone thought AJ was gone. I think we had to wait for the new ones to go to come out, right. Everyone thought AJ was gone and it was just living in that those moments, right. And when we found out Tilly was going to go and we're like wait, what, why, what's going on? And it's just a lot of that.

Speaker 2: 21:12

How did you like working with her? It seemed like you had a lot of scenes with her early on in the season. Did you learn a lot, since she's an experienced actress?

Speaker 4: 21:20

Oh, definitely, definitely. She's such a pleasure I learned a lot Like she's a pleasure to work with and, um, she always likes to play like and talk, but she's always like kind of in character or like talking um with you as a character. But as I'm, I'm trying to figure out, like if it's her talking or if it's Tilly talking, right, so I always, like, always lagging behind, I'm like like Tilly, are you good? Like what are you? What are you? Oh, oh, oh, oh, sorry, yes, you're acting my bad, okay, cool, yes, yes, I'm here for you, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:52

Like, yeah, that's great, I love it. Now, liz, what do you?

Speaker 3: 21:58

got. I'm just. It was just kind of a surprise to. It just seems like Randall has become kinder and gentler since the attack and it shocked me that he apologized to you. He apologized to you and it just makes me think that maybe I don't know either there's some ulterior motive or just that the experience has changed him Because, like Julie comes by, she's like let's go out and look at the threshold and he's like nope, nope, I'm gonna stay here, there's nothing good for me there. But it seems like the bad guy Randall would have just gone for the sake of going. So, like what, what is that about from Elgin's point of view?

Speaker 4: 23:01

I think it. Uh, it comes back to the bus too, to that moment we had where Elgin had a moment at the you know, waking up on the bus and seeing a bunch of stuff that he didn't know existed, you know, and I think that made him go down a certain path of like trying to figure out what's going on. You know the paranoia. So I feel like Randall is starting on that journey right now where he's kind of accepting like I'm in this crazy place and I also feel some place that Elgin and Randall really feel is like, I guess, like a tug from the town, like the mysteriousness of the town, the tug Like they're into.

Speaker 4: 23:41

When Randall went there first he was like we got to get out of here, like he, he's familiar with this, this thing or whatever right, and he had to get out of there. It's kind of like how algin was at the brundles, being like we got to get out of here, I'm familiar with whatever this is, like we have to, you know, don't let nobody come here, type of thing. So I feel like randall is now also joining that journey of trying to understand what's going on and also understanding that the people on that in the town are his best chances. I think his lonely days may be over, but yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:14

Yeah, yeah, do we. Oh, I'm sorry, Go ahead.

Speaker 2: 24:18

Go ahead. I was going to ask do we find more answers to some of the major questions? And I've said this to to lizzie on the podcast before. I don't care, I would love to just know why they're there. I don't care that you guys get out. Obviously, if you get out, then they get the. I don't think you're all gonna get out, but it would be neat to find out why before. I mean, I know we're on, we're gonna get to the boy and white in a little bit, but you, tabitha and I forget who else have seen this place before and there's a reason for that. And jade had said you would have run across this road no matter what you did. And I'm just trying to figure out. Like I know, there's a two-part finale and we've got to wait two weeks to find out how it all comes together. But do you feel satisfied as an actor and as a watcher, that it's really put a nice bow and may and move that story forward for next season?

Speaker 4: 25:25

I think, yes, definitely, I'm trying to. Not, I understand, I'm just watching my words because certain things I feel, like episode 9, episode 10 are really going to flesh on more and I want you all to really feel what I know about. Oh, no, no, and I understand that I don't want you to get yourself in trouble?

Speaker 2: 25:43

Oh no, and quite honestly, I don't want to know. Not that I don't need to hear the spoilers, but there's people out there that are throwing out stuff. That it's just. Why are you telling people? Let people enjoy it.

Speaker 3: 25:57

I know, Someone spoiled me on the rope and I was like not happy and let him know, I have all the screeners. I not happy and let him know, I have all the screeners. I can watch them all right now.

Speaker 3: 26:10

There's not so many left. Alex and I are very purposeful about how we go through this whole process. We purposely don't watch ahead so that we don't accidentally spoil somebody. That would really upset me and I would do that, I know I would. But Taryn has a question and he's asking is it true that nobody knew what was going to come through the window until the episode aired and you saw that it was a crow come?

Speaker 4: 26:49

through the window until the episode aired and you saw that it was a crow. Um, uh, that's, how'd that work out? I think I, I I knew it was. You know, I knew it was a crow. I feel, um, just why, how, like, how, the special effects people were using it, like I seen like the black we were using like black wings, and that was it, but I don't know. That's actually a good question. That was a day where, um, yeah, I don't know, I think maybe people made it, thought it was a bird, if anything, but I don't really know if everyone knew it was a crow. Yeah, okay, that's true. Yeah, I knew it was a crow, I did. Yes, I didn't know, did know.

Speaker 2: 27:24

Well, the question that I have, I think, is what do you want to say to everybody for the next two episodes, because I know you're a busy guy. You got your jacket on, you're ready to go. I mean you are. I'm chilling, I'm chilling. Yeah, you're always chilling, man.

Speaker 3: 27:39

He's chilling like he's totally cool.

Speaker 4: 27:41

He's chilling like a bro man Trying to be a child and then, out of the past two weeks, today's been like relaxed, you know. Like finally relaxing At least, yeah, at least until next weekend.

Speaker 4: 27:55

So do you normally hang out with the cast to watch the episodes. Right now, like the first time I was actually getting together with Pega. I know I think last week I was hanging with some family here, so like we all got together. But I love to hang with the cast. You know, watch some episodes. We're also spread apart this continent, but yeah, I love to. It's so fun watching. I know we watched the first two episodes all together, right like most of us down in LA.

Speaker 2: 28:19

We watched the first two together and that was an amazing experience well, like I said, thank you so much for for giving us a couple of minutes of your time. You know you've always been. You've always been one of the the anytime we've asked you, you've always wanted to come on and and hang out and, um, hopefully, once we figure out what the hell's going on, you can redeem yourself in Lizzie's eyes.

Speaker 4: 28:44

Yeah, don't like me no more. Oh, don't like me no more.

Speaker 3: 28:50

I'm going to get in touch with your dad and complain.

Speaker 4: 28:53

No, don't talk about daddy. Hold on, don't talk about daddy Lizzie. I love you, lizzie, I love you. You know what? You know what man?

Speaker 2: 29:01

He tries to do this to me too, my wife.

Speaker 3: 29:03

He tries to do this to me too, my wife. His wife is named Liz. I'm like don't.

Speaker 2: 29:07

I have two names. Liz is in my life.

Speaker 4: 29:10

Oh, that's bad too, no wait wait, this is the worst.

Speaker 2: 29:13

In one week we had Liz Moy, liz Saunders I have her and my wife and I couldn't figure out who I was talking to in that week. It was the first season. Figure out who I was talking to in that week, it was the first season. Anyway, this is another question which I actually want to know. Somebody just threw this out. Why the hell?

Speaker 4: 29:32

don't you change clothes. That's what I'm saying. Hey, I know, when I ask, I say new clothes, I'm like, nope, not this time. I think. Character-wise, I think Elgin is just like. He's just so messed up in the head right now. Right, he's still kind of free-falling and I feel like right now he's starting to get some like assurity and to get his feet settled on, like his purpose, you know. Like he's finally figured out like, oh, this is what you know Otto's dream meant. You know what I mean. I think now is that time, but I felt like that's the last thing on his mind to change clothes. Like he's just trying to get his mind straightened out from everything going on.

Speaker 3: 30:13

And you know, it's because he was just going to visit us. Like, wasn't he just going to go have a meal with his grandmother? Like, maybe he did, yeah.

Speaker 4: 30:23

I think it would have had not much to wear, but I also feel like there's a lot of colony house people type of clothing that he could wear. It's also probably comfort. It's probably the only thing of himself that he has is his clothes. He's still trying to get his mind straight.

Speaker 2: 30:40

I know I told you I wasn't going to ask this, but somebody's asking in the chat Do you have anything coming up? I know you're working on a couple of things, right.

Speaker 4: 30:50

Is that music stuff or is that acting? Okay, well, I lied to you, alex. I am so sorry. Yeah, I did finish a little sitcom my friend she was actually in this episode as well. She had a one line. My friend wrote a sitcom for a canadian channel called bell five and um, it's to be out in like march, and I had a nice role, completely different than elgin. It's a whole different size, like you're not a lying bastard like you are.

Speaker 2: 31:15

Yeah, okay, now, the one thing I have to tell you, the one thing all right, and you have to go back and look at this, and I actually put it in my notes. Okay, when you pull her down again, this is what I'm thinking put the lotion in the basket moment, do you?

Speaker 3: 31:30

know what that's for? Oh my god, it puts the lotion in the basket it's the greatest, scariest movie ever, oh my what you haven't seen that movie Silence of the Lambs. I did, yes, I watched Silence of the Lambs. You haven't seen Silence of the Lambs I did yes.

Speaker 4: 31:46

Okay, hold on, I did see. Yes, I watched Silence of the Lambs. I watched the one that came. After that I watched the Hannibal TV show.

Speaker 3: 31:51

But what?

Speaker 4: 31:52

is I don't know what, what is the? I don't know what? The lotion?

Speaker 3: 31:54

my mom went somewhere else. He put the lotion in the basket.

Speaker 4: 32:07

Like he soften her skin because he's going to use her skin in the basket.

Speaker 2: 32:08

Yeah, oh my god, I want to watch this again. What's this? Oh my god, it's like one of those famous lines, and when you're pulling her back, that's what I thought of. Yeah, do me a favor, call up harold right now, yeah, and tell him one he needs to get his butt over here on the podcast. But but two, and more importantly, is tell him to explain that to you, and then he'll start cracking up.

Speaker 4: 32:30

Yeah, okay, I will, I will, I will. How am I not knowing this, though? Like I'm actually ashamed of myself. That's one of my favorite.

Speaker 3: 32:35

TV shows, because you're too worried about sucking people's blood.

Speaker 4: 32:39

Yeah, my own blood. Yeah, I forgot you know, whatever own blood. Yeah, I forgot Whatever, but anyway, oh man.

Speaker 2: 32:46

I know, come on, man, buffalo Bill, terrible. I'm going to cut this up for clips and I'm going to throw you down the bus. Man, you think that green bus is bad? I'm throwing you off the bus and everything.

Speaker 4: 32:58

Shame me, Alex. You've got an issue with me now.

Speaker 2: 33:02

We're going to get the bell Like in Game of Thrones. Shame, no. But thank you so much. I just want to thank you because I know you know we ask a lot of you guys and you guys are really so special and hopefully you survive this season. And if you don't, it's because Lizzie wrote in and talked to john, because you're just so I do have paul, yeah we got paul, we got paul right, yeah, that's what I said I love you, lizzie.

Speaker 4: 33:31

That's why I said that you better keep that up.

Speaker 2: 33:35

I'm going to don't worry you know something, you are just. You're as cool as the other side of it.

Speaker 3: 33:41

I love you so much for real man.

Speaker 4: 33:44

You guys are awesome hopefully you guys don't lose faith in me. I'll say this one thing is don't lose faith in Elgin yet okay. I don't know.

Speaker 4: 33:52

This show is not the type of show that just decides oh, this person's a villain now or whatever. Elgin has never been wrong before. You know what I mean. He saved Ellis, he helped freaking. Bring back hannah and, I'm sorry, julie and aj and and um, kaylin, um, what are the names? Uh, julie and randall and thank you and mariel, help, help bring back you know all these other people, right? So I honestly I think that the process.

Speaker 2: 34:23

I think that the entity is just messing with everybody and just making everybody be on edge, and that's what we're going to talk about when it comes to boyd and everybody else, and there is a master plan that we're just not involved because we're not in john's head, but, um, we're just looking forward to it and we're just soaking it up because, yeah, you made this. You made this 10 weeks just so enjoyable just you and the rest of the cast. I'm just glad that you have a storyline that people can really get behind good or bad, and that that that you're taught that we're talking about it yeah, thanks oh, can I say one thing too, alex, I'm so sorry

Speaker 4: 35:00

I know you talk about spoilers, these so-called you know spoilers, fake news, whatever you want to call it. But I say like, even if you do know some stuff how it ends, I think it is worth going back and watching the season over again. Because, like watching everything, like after reading it, you know, going through some ADR stuff, reading a bunch of ADR and then seeing the stuff they put in the background, it all was like wow, they really do be trying to spoil stuff in plain sight.

Speaker 2: 35:27

They really are like Dude don't do this to me. You have no idea what she puts me through. She thinks when you have a coffee cup, it means something. If they put half and half in it, it means something.

Speaker 3: 35:47

Yeah, why didn't they put all of it in there?

Speaker 2: 35:49

I mean, this is that's like the half of it. She phone calls me. Did you see this?

Speaker 3: 35:56

No, Just like how could you have missed it? It was right there. I mean, you're not wrong.

Speaker 4: 36:05

Because the rope. You would never have thought that that was what that rope was. You know that rope hole. You would have never thought that, but it's right there in plain sight. Same words and everything Like that's just yeah.

Speaker 3: 36:15

I love that mystery? Yeah, I don't know. Even though it got spoiled, I'd forgotten about it and I just did not expect to see her Throwing that rope down and it was just so interesting. Like Boyd never hears her, she never hears Boyd. Like they were that close, yeah that close.

Speaker 2: 36:43

You have homework since the next time we see you and we're hopefully going to get you back on, even though Lizzie's been such a jerk to you. Ha ha ha. You need to watch Silence of the Lambs. Oh, I did you have a full report about it. You better be alive by the end of the season, or else we're storming the gates, okay.

Speaker 3: 37:03

If we could figure out where the gates were. I don't know. If.

Speaker 4: 37:08

Elkwood dies we riot.

Speaker 3: 37:10

Although we said we would riot if Mrs Lou dies. I think, I just went to bed. I'll talk. You know why? Because we're all drunk by tea.

Speaker 2: 37:20

That's why we're all drunk by that tea, man. Anyway, I'm going to kick you out before you want to take over our podcast. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. Anytime you want to come on, talk to me, not Lizzie.

Speaker 3: 37:33

You could ask us if you wanted to. You could I have nothing to do. My life is rock bottom.

Speaker 4: 37:47

I think I will go on their podcast. I watched Silence of the Lambs four times today.

Speaker 2: 37:51

Actually we could just do a podcast on Silence of the Lambs. Just the three of us.

Speaker 4: 37:56

That would be fun. That is one of my favorite. I've watched it so many times in my life.

Speaker 2: 38:00

You know it's funny and I get it. You know everybody has those moments. You're like what is that, what is that? And then you're like oh geez, like duh.

Speaker 4: 38:06

Oh my God, I'm going to watch it again and hate myself Do me a favor.

Speaker 2: 38:09

Also Say hi to the mayor, ie Bob man, because I know everybody knows Bob. You know I almost had to pull the Bob card to get you to respond of Nova Scotia. He won the Funniest man Alive he is and we're going to have him on in about three weeks for our Season 3 wrap-up. He comes on, he's our guy for that. Maybe you'll have seen the movie and maybe we can talk about it on our next time when we talk. Nathan.

Speaker 2: 38:43

T Simmons. That's me, that's him, thank you. And he is out because we got to finish our. We got to do our job and pay the bills, so to speak.

Speaker 4: 38:53

Love you man.

Speaker 3: 38:54

See you. Thank you for having me. You got it. I still love you, lizzy. I still love you, lizzy. I still love you too.

Speaker 2: 39:04

All right, goodbye baby. All right, we kicked him out, he's no more.

Speaker 3: 39:11

I can't believe it.

Speaker 2: 39:12

All right.

Speaker 3: 39:13

I just want to say Sleek, are you spoiling something or did I miss something? Because Sleek is saying Julie and Boyd are connected in that place in more than one scene.

Speaker 2: 39:25

I hope he's not spoiling on it I know, I don't think he is, because I think you know, nathan, you can just check out, you can just X out. Don't worry about it. Man, he's like behind, he doesn't want to leave us, he just wants to stay here forever.

Speaker 3: 39:38

I know he should stay, but he didn't take notes for the episode.

Speaker 2: 39:45

He didn't take notes for the episode, so he, you know, no, I think he does see her twice. Um, okay, we have to go back and watch the original episode now. He's out.

Speaker 3: 39:51

Now, guys, let's get into it oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because she's, she's up on the wall, that's right right, all right.

Speaker 3: 39:59

So let's get down to details here. Jim, so yeah, exactly, sleek. So, jim, we're going to start. I was going to do just the Matthews, but things split apart this time because Julie's on her own little quest time, because Julie's on her own little quest, right? So Jim brings the family home from the settlement the next day, or later that day, I guess. So he's having a cup, like I forget what Tabitha is doing at the sink. Is she washing something or oh?

Speaker 3: 40:41

she's getting carrots, she's peeling carrots, washing something, or oh, she's getting carrots, she's peeling carrots. And so he tells her that someone called on the phone and that someone was Thomas. And then he goes over to her and he's like something here, knows things about us and what buttons to push, you know, because maybe if it was a baby crying on the other end of the phone, he might have taken that more seriously, more to heart, instead of some kid saying, hey, it's Thomas. You know, the interesting thing, I think the most interesting thing about this episode in regards to Jim is his conversation with Henry.

Speaker 2: 41:30

Yes, and that's the greatest line at all. From which line? What does he say to him?

Speaker 3: 41:38

Well he, he tells him I, you're acting like I did.

Speaker 2: 41:47

Well no. How did he say it Right before that he's like you're acting like I did. Well, no before. How did he say it be right before?

Speaker 3: 41:51

that he's like you're acting like a fucking idiot or something. Yeah, well, he is. Like you know, jim storms into the bar and he starts giving crap to jade because, like he's just you know, jade is on his own quest, like he's trying to figure all this stuff out. But you know, him and Tabitha are we're talking back and forth and they get, you know, talking about the Red Rock, and so of course he's going to take her out there. I mean, I don't think he necessarily had to bring Ethan with them, but I can understand why Jim would be upset with Ethan being out there, especially if they got caught there at night and if things really went wrong. But Jim sees Jade as the smartest fucking prick in the room. But Jade sees himself as helping people, like it's two different images that they're seeing in the room. But Jade sees himself as helping people, like it's two different images that they're seeing, and Jade doesn't care if it gets them home and leaves.

Speaker 3: 42:54

So Henry is watching this whole thing, you know, unfold, and Henry astutely declares that the conversation is productive. What is it? Henry astutely declares the conversation as productive. Oh yeah, because they're not getting anywhere. You know, I just wrote these notes like I don't know, maybe four hours ago, and all of a sudden they don't make sense to me. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 43:25

We're still digging it.

Speaker 3: 43:27

The main thing that comes out of this is that Henry kind of warns Jim. He's saying you know, my wife was telling me all about this place and I wasn't listening to her. This place. I wasn't listening to her. I was thinking that she was crazy and that was the biggest mistake that I made, because I lost my wife and my two children to this place because I wasn't listening to her. So he's like you are just me.

Speaker 2: 44:02

But 40 years later, but I think and I'm with you a thousand percent on that statement I think Jim, though, has been so high strung before from yeah, Relationship was already rocky. There's a lot going on. Yeah, relationship was already rocky. There's a lot going on yeah. It's just honestly and I know I think we might be interviewing them this week.

Speaker 3: 44:34

Yeah, we do have.

Speaker 2: 44:37

I just do not like Jim. What's that? Jim is just such a pain in the ass Like dude what's that?

Speaker 3: 44:46

jim is just such a pain in the ass like dude. You know I I really hate everybody ragging on jim because, like his wife, it disappears. You know his daughter was catatonic. He's got a little kid whose leg was impaled by like a, a table leg, and the next thing, you know, like he's walking around like nothing happened after a month, um, and has grown like a foot, you know. But in the water yeah, there's something in that water.

Speaker 2: 45:21

And I understand what you're saying. All those things make sense, but for a guy that is so, so much an engineer and trying to figure this out, the fact that him and him and Jade are still not on the same page really is just like dude. What are you doing? And the other thing.

Speaker 3: 45:43

It's because Jade is used to working alone Like anyone that works with him is an underling, and he treated Jim that way.

Speaker 2: 45:52

But the other thing is they had such a good relationship, they were falling back in love with each other. Yeah, okay, the family was cooking, everything was doing well, and it seems like he's resentful of Tabitha and it's like, oh, it's all about-.

Speaker 3: 46:16

Why do you think he's resentful of her?

Speaker 2: 46:18

No, because it's all about her. And da-da-da-da-dum, I mean, he's picking fights, he's doing stuff that he doesn't need to be doing. Then, to top it off, he neglects his kids because he's trying to find his wife. I mean, like, oh, I'm going on a trip. And da-da-da-da-dum, like, come on, dude. Like make up your mind Either you're going to be a good parent and a good father and a good husband, or you're not. He is boyd, in the sense of the places breaking him too, but I don't think he has, um, the skill or I shouldn't say the skill the tools to really deal with this place. Like boyd had the tools to deal with this place. Now they're just coming after him, which is a different story, and I just think oh, I have a note about that, like you know he's.

Speaker 3: 47:17

We have to talk about that when we get to Boyd, because I have a note about them. Oh, that's fine to Boyd because I have a note about them. Okay, that's fine, but you know.

Speaker 2: 47:26

There is one other question that I think needs to be answered, and I think this is the most important question in From when Henry comes out of there, Link asks did anyone think that Henry slept with Donna?

Speaker 3: 47:39

I did.

Speaker 2: 47:44

I totally did. You know. You know what I totally did. You know, you know what I'm going to tell you right now. Link, if there's anyone that needs to get laid in from, she is one person that needs some frigging relaxation. I feel so bad for Donna. She has had it rough, she has. I mean, she is the definition of fromily, like my shirt, but damn, she needs to get herself some and she just needs to like, not think about anything and she's been over the head, so thank you for actually asking that question.

Speaker 3: 48:15

Yeah, and Link, you're right. You're right, he doesn't seem to be very concerned about getting them home. But it seems like it's been one thing after another, since the radio, like Julie, gets taken over by the cicadas, and then what are they?

Speaker 3: 48:35

Cicadas, sorry. And you know. Then his wife goes missing, like she's down in those caves also with, oh my God, victor, and then you know she's off on a trek in the woods with Victor, like it's been one thing after another. I don't think he's had time to even think about it. He's been trying to keep his kids alive and his family together, but yeah you've got a yeah, but this is.

Speaker 2: 49:07

This is the problem. Like he can't have it both ways, meaning this they've only been there for what?

Speaker 3: 49:14

two weeks they're beyond two weeks now. They I think they're pushing a month I have to say it's a month.

Speaker 2: 49:21

Let's just say it's a month, okay yeah but my, my point being is they've been there for a month and he he's still not getting it.

Speaker 3: 49:35

Jim what do you mean?

Speaker 2: 49:37

he's not getting it like, like you just said, he tried something, he's doing this, he's doing that. It's like dude, this place isn't. This place isn't like real. I mean I shouldn't say it's real. This place doesn't have the rules that we normally have. He's trying to put the rules of before from in what real world?

Speaker 3: 50:00

yeah, I, I mean that's just my, my opinion. Well, I, I think he's just he's overly worried. You know like he was really mad when he saw his family come traipsing out to the settlement, um, and they know like at night there's something you know moving around out there Like he didn't like Jade interfering with his family. He doesn't trust Jade as it is, because Jade doesn't seem like he's rooted in reality sometimes but.

Speaker 2: 50:35

But he's a smart asshole.

Speaker 3: 50:37

Yeah, and he doesn't always think about other people.

Speaker 2: 50:42

No, I mean, but he, he deals in logic, yeah but that's not yeah. But for an engineer they should be able to have the same language in that sense.

Speaker 3: 50:54

Well, you know he's a problem solver, but the thing about it is all right. So he was looking at Henry kind of let's see, Jade was right that Jim is doing stuff for himself and he's scared and Henry says that's true, and then Jim sees sense and sits down and Jim doesn't drink, promised he'd be a better father and husband and dad, and that's basically the end of their conversation. Jade, you know, meets Henry in the bar. Maybe I should have started with that, but I remember, you know, one thing that caught my eye is that he's got a table with the paper slips from the bottles laid out and he's got the bottles matched with the slips which there could be information and clues. You know, just, each bottle is seems to be different. It would be from different time frames. It would be from different time frames. Henry didn't waste much time drinking, which made me wonder like was he chasing the hair of the dog or was, given the circumstances of his life, had he become an?

Speaker 2: 52:19

alcoholic. He was an alcoholic, I bet, because when he came, oh, he had a six pack. I mean yeah, he's been through the ringer, you know he said oh, he said people accusing him of killing his family versus different things. But you know, link is right. You know, after his talk with Tom, he did not actually drink in this episode.

Speaker 2: 52:43

Yeah, he was going to drink, but Henry did, henry did, and then he's's like can I have a little, you know whatever? And then, and then pick me up, and then he, and then him and jim had a little moment too.

Speaker 3: 52:55

Uh, oh, here you go, here's one of your, here's one of your peeps but it's true, he is a problem solver, he, he does things in a certain way. Let's see, I can't figure out how to save his marriage and his family, since this is his last chance and they were on the way to really reuniting and being happy as a family, and it involves malt, monsters and no time to spend with him. Right, exactly All right. So let's switch gears and go to Julie, and you know, her kind of flirting with Randall just makes me feel uncomfortable. Yeah, randall just makes me feel uncomfortable, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:52

You know, because there's a huge age disparity of at least 10 years, and she's still under age. I don't think it's the see. I think at first I thought what you thought, but you have to remember. Why is she talking to Randall?

Speaker 3: 54:03

Well, because they're connected because they're connected.

Speaker 2: 54:07

So take age out of it for a second and just understand. Randall sees the cicadas and the other stuff. Uh, um, you know julie is hearing screaming so she's smoking the pot and um, but we didn't see her do that this episode at all, but my point being is that's what she's doing. They're connected by being taken and the fact that she heard something there. She didn't really it didn't matter who it was.

Speaker 3: 54:43

She wanted somebody to go with her well she, they were feeling two different things like randall was feeling like I can't get away from this place fast enough and she was feeling drawn to it. Um, you know he said she thinks that it might help going there but and I think, help their whole cicada issue. But he's like there's nothing here that wants to help us. And I think you know he's right, there is nothing there that wants to help them.

Speaker 2: 55:18

But you have to remember they're feeling different things. Yeah, you know you, you hit the nail on the head. She's feeling something different in that space than he was.

Speaker 3: 55:32

they have purposely tortured him and turned him into a nice guy because he was the epitome of he was just out for himself, yeah, right and now he's part of the team and now he's banished to the bus because he was such a jerk but now he's part of the team and you know, now they can torture him even more.

Speaker 3: 55:57

I don't even know if he's part of the team. I know team, I know he wants to solve this problem, but she ends up grabbing Ethan and they go and she's been telling him Ethan, you know, because he asked about the time when her eyes turned white, you know, and they haven't really talked about that. And she says that she hears non-stop screaming and when she goes, you know like she, they elect to go into the threshold together. But when it comes down to it, it's not ethan's job to go there, it's, it's only hers. So she shows, you know, ethan is seeing her as convulsing on the ground in the threshold but she is actually beneath where, you know, boyd was.

Speaker 3: 56:55

That, we know now that Boyd was, and it looks like that same exact chamber that she was in before. And the screaming it turns out the screaming that she's hearing is actually her, randall and Marielle being chained to the wall and in their own heads, their minds, that entire experience that's what she's hearing is the three of them screaming nonstop, and so she. This is why she felt drawn to this place. Let's see she before they go in. You know she says to or asks Ethan, you know what is it that you always say? You know, you're a little promenade guy. And he says at a scary threshold, the hero must be brave and that's why she walks into it and they decide to go together.

Speaker 2: 58:06

So I love that they had that call back, yeah, because they really needed to. And I think, you know, with the criticism I I'm going to criticize, I really think, and I it's because they don't have enough episodes to kind of develop stuff. With only 10 episodes, I think they're really missing the boat by not talking about that more. They made it such a big importance and now it's kind of like, you know, oh yeah, we're not talking about that now, cause we're talking about, you know, cicadas and monsters. So I don't know.

Speaker 3: 58:43

Yeah, and I'm going to go kind of step by step, because there's so much in this scene that is so important. So they go in together, they're holding hands, but when they cross over she's alone. You actually see his hand drop away and you know she starts convulsing. He goes for help. She's in the chamber where Boyd was in that hole and, let's see, she hears the screaming and sees the three of them. Now she's what we assume. I don't even know if I want to call it present time or current time or what we want to call it, but she is in her current plane of existence and she's seeing backwards, the three of them screaming and shackled to the wall. Seeing backwards, the three of them screaming and shackled to the wall, and then the screaming abruptly stops and the shackles are empty and she hears Martin speaking.

Speaker 2: 59:53

Right.

Speaker 3: 59:54

And we haven't seen Martin since the last season, season two, and he calls her by name. He knows her name.

Speaker 2: 1:00:04

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:00:06

And he tells her that he needs the rope, that he needs the rope. He doesn't say who it is, but he needs the rope and to throw it down. And she asks who's in the hole, but he doesn't tell her. And she asks who's in the hole, but he doesn't tell her Boyd. But we see the rope coming down the hole and Boyd grabs the rope and is told to hurry because they don't have long and Martin tells her to leave and she goes. When she turns back. She turns and then turns back. Martin is gone.

Speaker 2: 1:00:42

And the shackles yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:00:45

She goes through a door and then she's in the tunnels and she hears Tabitha and Victor. When she flicks a lighter and calls mom, there's no answer. And it was interesting. It was like you know, like hearing these voices but you can't see who. You can't see them, but you know that they're there.

Speaker 2: 1:01:11

You know what's frustrating about that particular scene. I like to watch the episodes with with closed caption.

Speaker 3: 1:01:20

I always do yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

The problem is with the screeners. You can't do it Right and because of that fact, it's like you want to hear, like I can't wait for it to. You know, pop up on my plaques, because I want to be able to actually hear what they're saying, because it's important stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:01:38

Oh, it's, it's, it's Victor telling her they've got to be quiet because the monster's sleep, right, yeah, so, um, yeah, I know with the screeners. If there's a trouble spot, I kind of mark it in my notes so that we can go back and look at it. Um, so, anyway, um, let's. And then she starts hearing the Ancui kids and the kids are yelling, and that's when Ethan, kenny and Acosta arrive, you know, up at the surface and they pick her up and she comes out of her stupor and it's weird, like if she can see herself shackled, throw Boyd the rope, hear her mom and Victor, she's in some kind of loop.

Speaker 2: 1:02:37

She's gotta be, it's gotta be time. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:02:40

I mean, yeah, I mean that's going to be boom number two. But I have you ever like, way back when video games were starting to get big, there was this one that I just loved called Leisure, leisure Suit Larry, and I think he was on like a cruise ship or wherever he was, he was trying to find little penises, I think, or condoms I can't remember what it was, but you know he was, you know had to find these things and you had to. Um, it's almost like that old game in the crystal cave or something and you had a wand or something, but we with leisure suit larry you had you would go through these steps until you would get kind of like stuck and you wouldn't get anywhere because you had to find all the um, I think was sleek, was it condoms or was it penises?

Speaker 2: 1:03:40

I don't know, I've just googled it. Yeah, I can't even show the covers of this stuff well, it was leisure suit larry leisure suit larry. Wet dreams, don't cry.

Speaker 3: 1:03:54

Happy ending edition uh that's icky it was just some like gross kind of guy on a cruise ship in a leisure suit and yeah, he was looking for sex, but it wasn't X-rated. I don't remember it being X-rated. It was just like this goofy guy.

Speaker 2: 1:04:15

I need to go take a shower because I'm icky. Okay, but at any rate it was kind of like it got me thinking because someone I think earlier this week someone had posted that it was.

Speaker 3: 1:04:39

Boyd on the radio that spoke to Jim, like no, it's not going to happen. Charlotte, you know, going between these different time sequences it just makes me think that they are picking up clues every time they go through from because, Boyd, if Boyd, if that was Boyd speaking to Jim on the radio. Jim goes to Donna just hear me out. Jim goes to Donna and he tells her like he wants to talk to her because he knows that she heard the voice and she, donna, thinks someone is listening to them and she warns Jim. And then Jim says to and there was something else, donna did. You started talking to me and then it fell out of my head. But there was something else that Donna said that supported that. It'll come back to me.

Speaker 3: 1:06:00

But then Jim saying to Tabitha they know things about us and them possibly exposing things about themselves over time and them taking notes. You know, katri I don't know why I wrote this down, but Khatri was killed in book 74. When he starts talking about that, the monsters get. Maybe the monsters only kill the ones that aren't really part of the game and maybe Mrs Liu was an exception because they're trying to break Boyd.

Speaker 2: 1:06:57

No, she had a usefulness and now she's not. I mean, I think everybody's got their use and then they're not and then they're not. But there is no way I will. I will put anything on it, that boyd is on the radio.

Speaker 3: 1:07:12

That makes no sense. It makes sense to me, I'm glad because you're the only one if they keep having to repeat the game, because what would happen with leisure suit larry is you take a wrong turn and it wouldn't lead to another um condom or whatever it was first off.

Speaker 2: 1:07:30

You had to start over again but first off, it doesn't sound like him at all but it could be that the voice is distorted.

Speaker 3: 1:07:42

I don't know, I did not go back and look at it and listen to it.

Speaker 2: 1:07:47

I mean, listen, I could be. I yes, anything is possible, lisa, I get it. Anything is possible, but but at the same time, I I don't believe that boyd would. I don't believe that that would be a. I mean I could be wrong. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:08:11

I think that Because also I think Donna cultivated Colony House over many plays of the game and I don't know Like you know, the choosing day, like I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 1:08:32

It's a little bit like of a matrix situation where they keep redoing, redoing, redoing. But at the same time I just think that the monsters, the entity, whatever it is, knows stuff because it's their world. They brought them there why? Because they brought them there for a reason. They know their world. They brought them there why? Because they brought them there for a reason. They know their strengths, they know their weaknesses, they know whatever. I think that we do have some time travel going on or whatever you want to now, and you're right, nothing does make sense and everything is on the table. But and we've proven that from today I mean I'm glad we did get answers this week. I mean you can't I don't care who you are, if you like from you got answers this week. And if you don't think you got answers, then you just need to leave the show because wait a minute is podcastica.

Speaker 3: 1:09:29

Is that Jason?

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

It might be yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:32

Oh, hi, Jason. Yeah, like I'm, sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:09:36

We're streaming on Podcastica oh, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:09:39

So that, all being said, you know, yes, everything is on the table. Lisa, I'm not saying that it's not, but to me it doesn't make sense that he would be telling him that I could be wrong. I think, like I said I've said this from the beginning the entity is playing the game and and they're controlling the monsters. And again, I could be wrong, but I also never would have believed that julie would have thrown the rope, so yeah, you know, we knew someone had to, but we just didn't know who it was to your point, lisa, and this is what I love about all this.

Speaker 2: 1:10:17

I just am a viewer of the show, so I can't wait to be wrong or right, like just when it all plays out, it'll be like okay, you know, we were wrong or we were right. So that's why we're all here, because we have the love of the show and let's go on.

Speaker 3: 1:10:33

Okay, so let's hop over to Victor, which ends up being utterly fascinating, like he's having a major meltdown because Sarah can't make Jasper talk.

Speaker 2: 1:10:49

I know right.

Speaker 3: 1:10:51

And I felt so bad. And I felt so bad, like I, just I felt so bad. And so he makes Sarah go over to the Matthews house Now it's the Matthews house, matthews house Number two to get Tabitha, which, jim, being so volatile and protective Sarah, is the last one he wants to see at the door, especially knowing that his son is not home. But anyways, tabitha goes with her and Tabitha transitions into mommy mode and she starts cajoling him and trying to calm him down so that he can think. All he tells her is that jasper talks and that jasper um told christopher the secret. And I think she asks him if, uh, he wants to look at his pictures to try and remember.

Speaker 3: 1:11:54

And he said the pictures always remembered, so that he didn't have to so he would draw pictures of what he saw. So she does get him to calm down and helps him to remember that he heard Jasper, jasper, sarah helps. It was like. Sarah says you know what was it like out that day? And it helps land him in that day when he heard Jasper talk, you know. And so he said he was in the basement at the church when he saw this happening. So he heard voices when he opened the basement door and when he got to the bottom of the stairs Jasper was telling secrets and Christopher was angry but Jasper. But when they shows that Jasper, jasper is like slumped over I know he's like.

Speaker 3: 1:12:53

He's like out of the picture, like when he first looks at jasper, jasper is like mile a minute and christopher is yelling, you know. But then, um, when we see jasper again, we see that he's slumped over in the chair and that he realizes that the whole time Christopher was talking to the boy in white. And the boy in white says the answers to the end are at the beginning. It started with the children. What the others did to them, it was people that they loved, did something to them. It was the people that they trusted. The children were born in the dark and then they were murdered in the dark. But someone who loved them told them a story. The story gave them hope. And when the children laid on the stories, they poured their hope into the roots. So to make the symbol, oh yeah, so they poured their hope into the roots to make the symbol. And the roots became the tree. And then Sarah says the faraway tree.

Speaker 3: 1:14:13

The boy in white was trying to tell Christopher that to save the children he would have to go through the tree, but he wouldn't do it. He wouldn't listen and he got angry. Christopher is yelling, you're a liar, everything lies here. Christopher wouldn't listen, he wouldn't go to the tree. So Victor told his. He wouldn't go to the tree. So Victor told his mother what the boy in white said and that is why she left. So my question is so does this mean that's why the town was annihilated that time? Because Christopher wouldn't go into the tree?

Speaker 2: 1:14:57

and.

Speaker 3: 1:14:57

Miranda went into the tree. Is that why the town was annihilated? And in the meantime, the monsters pick off the unnecessary people, Like? All those people except for Victor were unnecessary. Yeah, Daphne's right, there was some kind of ritual, but we don't know what it was. Whatever they did, the children were born in the dark and they were murdered in the dark.

Speaker 2: 1:15:30

Like a stone slab in a circle and that's why the stones are red maybe I mean I, I just like that they have a reason for the massacre, but what or why, I don't know. Yeah, I, I get it. The question is, why did they keep? Why did they keep Victor? Again, he's probably part of the game, the end game, but it.

Speaker 3: 1:15:56

Yeah, I mean, maybe because Victor was a kid. We don't know that Eloise died.

Speaker 2: 1:16:04

True.

Speaker 3: 1:16:05

We don't know that she died, and maybe because she was a kid she wasn't killed, so we don't know where she is, but she killed kids before first episode yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't know what, unless that was like the zombie picking up the doll, the bunny rabbit, you know, the one exception, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:16:36

Like. I mean, like I said, we don't know that Eloise is dead and Victor hid, really, really well, sure, I don't know. All right, yeah, daphne, we're going to be doing season two after the season where that will be our rewatch. All right, so number five, let me make sure this is the last thing. Oh, that's number six. So number five leads to number six, right, cause five always comes before six. All right, so this is about Boyd. So Fatima murders Tilly, boyd deposits Fatima in the Sarah shed and then goes back to town.

Speaker 2: 1:17:37

Um, let's see tilly helping her stop the monster from eating.

Speaker 3: 1:17:39

I don't even know what that means. Now that boy tells her she's her family.

Speaker 2: 1:17:41

What's that so what? What is going on is you know. She knows that she can't eat real food, yeah, and she understands the fact that she should be in the box because she just killed somebody, but she also knows the reason why she did. It was because something forced her to do it something was yeah, and, and he brought food and he says your family and you can eat, and and try to eat something.

Speaker 3: 1:18:07

He brought rotten food but boyd. But boyd also said you know, ellis is coming yeah and away he goes yeah, and um, boyd and ellis, they scheme about what to do and then, you know, they go back to town like they're talking about what they're going to do. As they walk back into town Like, and then when Kenny shows him, tilly like boy, just has this blase reaction.

Speaker 3: 1:18:36

You know and um, acosta is there, probably in her element because she's doing her police lady job, and, um, donna immediately accuses Sarah of this, because who would think that Fatima would do this? You know, and the thing about it is like monsters are one thing, like that's very straightforward, but when you have murder, somebody there has to be blamed. Somebody there has to be blamed. Um, so, fat, uh, ellis sneaks away and brings a bunch of stuff to fatima and he isn't listening to how scared she is. Um, he gives her the lucky hand handkerchief and he goes back to town and then all of of a sudden, kimono Woman shows up. Like she sees Kimono Woman, and that's where. Well, that's not where I want it. I want it at the end.

Speaker 3: 1:19:40

So Boyd and Ellis fight about what to do. They're in the police station and Ellis wants to hide in the woods with Fatima and Boyd says they won't be safe out there. Like what if someone finds their, their tent, you know? And that's when Donna comes in and knows something is up and Boyd tells her that it was Fatima. And Boyd tells Donna that he took Fatima out to a shack and she says you need to bring her back and he says no, and she tells him the town, the town like the collective town, is bigger than just one person, even though it is Fatima, and he thinks the town will understand, like they did about Sarah, and she says no.

Speaker 2: 1:20:35

Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3: 1:20:38

I don't believe in you anymore. Not like I did. You went too soon.

Speaker 2: 1:20:50

Oh sorry.

Speaker 3: 1:20:52

So, yeah, so he. It was back when he had street cred. Like he told the town to accept it and because it was Boyd and he had held so many things together, they did. But since that time he was in a barn while Mrs Liu was murdered by the monsters. Like he's lost some of his credibility or a lot of his credibility and they don't trust him like they did. You know. She says it won't work because they don't believe in you anymore. And he is stunned. Did you see the look on his face?

Speaker 4: 1:21:33

Like he's looking at her like what are you talking about you?

Speaker 3: 1:21:36

know, like I'm the man you know, and he's never heard this before in his life. He's always been the one to problem solve and it has always worked out. But this is just, oh, this is just a way beyond his control. And I think this is the way beyond his control and I think this is the way to break him. Like doing all the physical stuff, like making him watch Mrs Liu. That hurt, but it didn't break him. But people not believing in him will break him.

Speaker 3: 1:22:11

So Ellis will say that he did it and Donna says no, because it doesn't change the fact that it, whatever it is, the entity made it happen in the first place. Either something horrible is growing inside of her or this place has broken her mind. It just seems like once that thing got in her body, it was over with. Boyd says that they could stay with him in the sheriff's office and not necessarily there. But she's like no, and if he needs to tell people about Fatima, and she says to him and I love the way she says it she's like if you don't tell him, then I will. I don't know, there was just something about the way she said that.

Speaker 3: 1:23:11

So she leaves Boyd, tells Ellis to go about four or five hours away from town so that no one will find them. And Boyd is very worried. Boyd could have run away with Abby. You know like he would have done that, like if Abby, if he hadn't have shot Abby, he would have run off in the woods with her Just to save her life. But they get there and the shack door is open and there's no Fatima, which brings us To Elgin.

Speaker 2: 1:23:54

You're so quiet. Brings us to Elgin. You're so quiet. What do you want me to say?

Speaker 3: 1:23:59

Okay, it was the whole thing All right. So this is like a day in the life of Elgin. It's a camera is giving him clues as to what he needs to do. I don't understand the blood bag, do you? Do you think it has something to do with her?

Speaker 2: 1:24:22

Absolutely. It needs to feed the monster.

Speaker 3: 1:24:25

So you think that's what it is. It's just food.

Speaker 2: 1:24:28

It's for Fatima. It's got to be something, um, you know, exactly assuming. I do want to go back to one thing, because I it was like an hour ago that you said something and I don't remember, um, but renny had said, and it was, it was something about Sarah, like.

Speaker 3: 1:24:54

Sarah's got an alibi. Yeah, he was with Victor, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:24:57

It's really stupid that the way they did that that was so stupid. Like oh, sarah had to do it. Like nobody's seen Sarah for like months.

Speaker 3: 1:25:08

It seems like or you know weeks, but no one saw who killed tilly either.

Speaker 2: 1:25:15

My point being is you know, they're assuming again. This is where this is where this, this show is like dumb. It's like oh, now we're gonna have logic where there is none. Yeah, that's. My point is like oh, everybody's gonna be so upset because of Sarah. When was the last time you saw Sarah?

Speaker 3: 1:25:35

Honestly, she's been hanging out at home.

Speaker 2: 1:25:37

She's been hanging out at home going on adventures with Victor, all freaking week.

Speaker 3: 1:25:43

Isn't it so convenient that she gets run out of her house type thing and she's off in the woods with Boyd Bus people move in and then as soon like she's off in the woods with boyd bus, people move in and then as soon as she comes back, the bus people are dead and so she moves back into her house it's just like I said.

Speaker 2: 1:26:01

It's just, it's very, it's very stupid.

Speaker 3: 1:26:04

Um I, I don't know I just I mean, she's got a rep of being kind of crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:26:10

I understand that, but all right, so let's get to.

Speaker 3: 1:26:15

You know, Elgin gets the picture, goes to the clinic, gets a blood bag thing, a blood drawing kit, and then goes back to Colony House and draws his blood and then he's let's see, he gets let's see Elgin is back rooting and finds a blood draw. Let's see he finds his own, the Kodak. Oh, it's then when he finds. Was it then when he finds? That blood draw.

Speaker 2: 1:26:48

Yeah, stop me, you're confusing me.

Speaker 3: 1:26:50

I'm getting confused.

Speaker 2: 1:26:52

I know, just stop, all right. So what happens is they find Tilly. Everybody gets their little panties in a wad. He's there, he puts the camera down.

Speaker 3: 1:27:01

Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2: 1:27:02

He starts, he gets the blood, he goes talks to Doofus Randall and then he kidnaps Fatima and tries to put the lotion in the basket. And then that's what happens.

Speaker 3: 1:27:15

Yeah, I mean, at least they're showing us the Polaroids at some point, Like they don't show us too early.

Speaker 2: 1:27:28

No, but the one thing that's kind of interesting is now. No, but the one thing that's kind of interesting is now, and Rennie had said this, the Kimono woman seems to, you know, least secure building ever constructed that was going to protect them. Because when ellis came back and it was like, oh, we have a talisman, dude, you have a shack, that's like not even like come on well, sarah spent the night in there and didn't have a problem.

Speaker 3: 1:28:11

Who cares? So yeah, so it's interesting because, like it, the second she sees the twin bed she knows she's in trouble. Really, she knows ellis is not there, like I'd probably be all the way in the room and the door would be closed, and then I'd be like, wait a then.

Speaker 2: 1:28:31

I'd be like, wait a minute. I'd be shaking my head, I'm going to go into a cellar in from, like that's a real smart idea.

Speaker 3: 1:28:38

Well, I mean, he went down and went through two doors, pushed the armoire aside and I'm like that is not something I would want to do, something I would want to do, but like it was so creepy when she's going up the stairs and he pulls her back down, you know, like just when she thought she was out.

Speaker 2: 1:29:06

I mean, I love this, I'm sorry, and and Rennie is one of our other podcasters and Rennie is probably one of the most knowledgeable people on history. You know, rennie's a history teacher, she works in a college, she's very smart and all this other good stuff. But logic has no bearing on this whole thing. And, yes, I feel like it's that Geico commercial. Let's go into the room. It's a hurricane where all the knives are hanging. That's a smart idea Instead of this running car over here, like you know exactly. Do you want a piece of candy? Stranger in my van, I mean, like, how stupid are these people?

Speaker 2: 1:29:53

um, I mean, I love them all to death, but you know, I mean you can say you can say what you want about elgin. At least he's picking an area that's like a secure area. Now it's not exactly the nicest area, because only bad things happen in the wine cellar or the root cellar, but whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:30:17

I get it with the shack, but the main thing is just that it has a talisman.

Speaker 2: 1:30:25

It's not a little shack, that's for sure.

Speaker 3: 1:30:27

Yeah, so you can put up my little picture.

Speaker 2: 1:30:34

Which one? Oh okay, all right folks. She's been waiting all day to do this, so you better enjoy it. I'm telling you right now I don't hear any negative comments about it, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:30:47

So this was episode three. When I drew that I had no idea how true this would would be. When I when I drew it, just that, you know, fatima kills Tilly, tilly's always friendly to Elgin, but Elgin is seeing the kimono woman and then Fatima sees the kimono woman. They are attached. So I was like that was a proud note moment for me.

Speaker 2: 1:31:18

Okay, wait, on a side, note me either. The seven looks like getting into a stranger's car.

Speaker 3: 1:31:28

It does look like it, yeah. I mean absolutely, it does look like it.

Speaker 2: 1:31:37

Yeah, I mean by a van down by the river. Yeah, in a van down by the river. Yeah, hideout for monsters. I just love that. I'm gonna go in the one that has all the big holes.

Speaker 3: 1:31:42

That's my hideout that sounds like a great idea yeah, so I have three booms.

Speaker 2: 1:31:49

Oh boy.

Speaker 3: 1:31:51

So now that we're done, talking about it.

Speaker 2: 1:31:53

I should really get some sound effects Boom.

Speaker 3: 1:31:56

One is just Victor finally remembering the secret in that we get all this information about the Ancoui kids. I mean, it's not detailed but it is kind of like a one-on-one that we can figure out. What.

Speaker 2: 1:32:13

It's more than what we got before.

Speaker 3: 1:32:15

Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of information.

Speaker 2: 1:32:18

You know, I only can think of is Jack Nicholson, you can't handle the truth, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:32:24

Yeah, it feels like it sometimes All right. And then boom, number two is is time travel with Julie. You know, like I was trying to put it in order, like the three, the three of them screaming Boyd is in the hole, martin is gone, tabitha and Victor, and then the Ancui kids and the Ancui kids kids that could be when she hears them, that could be way back in the beginning, when they were laying, when they were first laying on those slabs and were murdered in the dark. So then the last one, I have a boom 1a or 2a yeah lisa brought it up.

Speaker 2: 1:33:07

Boom look, you have delicious blood to drink in the cellar.

Speaker 3: 1:33:13

That would be boom three.

Speaker 2: 1:33:15

Oh my God. No, because we already have a boom three.

Speaker 3: 1:33:18

The boom three is Elgin and the whole, like Fatima, being thrown in that room to give birth to a child that is not hers.

Speaker 2: 1:33:29

Satan's child or entity. Child boom, boom, boom yeah so what did we look at today, folks that elgin is supposedly a guy, is supposedly a good guy, from the actor? The actor lied completely and was totally. No, he was actually awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:33:53

I mean, he was like in that episode. He had this weird you know bad guy energy, but still nice, like he was weird. I didn't find it a bad guy energy.

Speaker 2: 1:34:07

I really believe that, just like Sarah, elgin and Fatima are going through changes and they're not that they're not responsible for their actions, but I really do believe that they're not responsible for their actions.

Speaker 3: 1:34:27

Yeah, it's beyond their control.

Speaker 2: 1:34:29

Why don't you read this from Renny yes, time travel, I really loved it.

Speaker 3: 1:34:34

Yeah, it's beyond their control. Why don't you read this from Rennie? Yes, time travel, I really loved it. Loved it that they circled back to that moment when.

Speaker 2: 1:34:42

Boyd got the rope and we didn't know who'd thrown it to him. I love the fact that they answered a question that we weren't looking for the answer for anymore.

Speaker 3: 1:34:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:34:52

We were looking for it, but it wasn't.

Speaker 3: 1:34:54

It was a nice surprise, yeah, and I loved that, I loved that and I just it was. It was so interesting the way they cut that whole scene together. The way they cut that whole scene together where she was in multiple planes of existence at the same time almost, and she was crossing paths with Void and then with Tabitha and Victor.

Speaker 2: 1:35:28

But I think Lisa has it right. You know he's doing the right thing, but he's also possessed a little Um, and he really just needs to do two things Stay out of water and stay away from cameras.

Speaker 2: 1:35:49

Like enough already, you know, his water thing is going to end up being Well, I just, I just think that he really needs to learn how to swim or just not go around water, don't drink water, don't even like, don't even do anything with water, because he just has no good things. But now that we solved none of the problems of From next week we're going to be talking season three, episode nine Episode nine, I can't believe, just two. Two-part ending. Two-part ending.

Speaker 3: 1:36:23

Yeah, two episodes left.

Speaker 2: 1:36:29

And so, folks, before we hit the road, what do you guys think is going to happen? I mean, I know you all have the spoilers, right, lisa?

Speaker 3: 1:36:37

tell us, renny, you know, uh you know, please don't spoil, I can't take it where's papa I, I think he left, he was watching the game, um.

Speaker 2: 1:36:48

But you know, and folks that are on the podcast, because there's like 27 other people I know. Daphne is on, I think still, and if I don't do this I'm going to be in trouble because every week she promotes us. If you guys are into scary stuff, please go to Run For your Lives. They do all the scary movies you could possibly want. They've done Halloween. They're just dropping the movie Signs with Mel Gibson. Oh, I love that movie. One of the best lines Swing away, swing away, swing away.

Speaker 2: 1:37:26

But my point being is, if you're looking for some really cool other podcast, you know the podcast. You know in podcast network, you know her and Pink. Daphne and Pink do a killer job of dealing with you know all that kind of good stuff. They did a whole thing on the Meg, did a whole thing on um the meg and uh, what was the other one that they did? All the halloweens and the candy mans and all sorts of crap that people just love to watch, which I won't watch, um. So, that said, we're almost out of here because I know you want to do some schlock and stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:38:12

Well, yeah, I just wanted to talk about our poster that we still have copies left so you can go to our Etsy page, the what Is From Shop. But we just got some new stickers in and I've set them up in some sets and I'm just waiting. Okay, all right, did I send them to you like that?

Speaker 2: 1:38:47

no, I sent.

Speaker 3: 1:38:48

Well, I cut them up because all right, because that's not the way that I put them together, because all right. So we got some new stickers. Uh, we've got the smiley at the banister. Jasper, um, one of the totems, and uh, alex came up with this great line for the bottle tour adventure of a lifetime. So there we have those. If you go to our etsy page, you can buy them in groupings, so I put them. You know, I tried to put them together. They are not grouped like this how are they that much I?

Speaker 3: 1:39:27

did not do that. How are they grouped? I did not do that.

Speaker 2: 1:39:30

How are they grouped? I don't remember. That's why I sent you the no. The only reason, the only difference, lizzie, the only difference is this is the bottom line of the top of this. So the only thing that's different is the ones with the smiley are on the bottom. The rest of it's all the same. Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 3: 1:39:51

Ones with the smiley are on the bottom. The rest of it's all the same. Yeah, I don't remember. Okay, I mean I can go to the Etsy page and listings.

Speaker 2: 1:39:58

That's fine, but if you want these, if you want these stickers, you know that's what we're selling. Also, we've got these awesome. What are these guys? Oh?

Speaker 3: 1:40:09

that's my page, hold on a second. So these are bookmarks and we have just plain bookmarks where it looks just like that without the jewelry. So these are just a washer that has from written on it and then there's a little like pendant thing going on with it. From written on it and then there's a little like pendant thing going on with it. So we have very pretty bookmarks which I think look fabulous. And then we have a new t-shirt and it is the bottle tree, the adventure of a lifetime.

Speaker 3: 1:40:48

And sorry, the picture is blurry, it was the best I could do. But the thing that I love doing is I love putting something on the sleeve. So when people are like, what does that mean you have from on the sleeve, and they still probably won't know what you're talking about. But I have to say I did a book festival yesterday and this woman came up to look at my books and she said you know, there's this really great show I just started watching and it's called From and I'm like, yeah, I know all about From. I podcast on it. So it was like a full circle moment. So that made me really happy.

Speaker 2: 1:41:35

Well, I think that's pretty cool. Thank you for putting all that together. I know it wasn't easy because we've been working on it for a while and, folks again, if you like what we're doing, you can always support the podcast by subscribing on the bottom or telling a friend or whatever else, and we are going to be.

Speaker 3: 1:41:58

Also our merchandise helps support the podcast. Well, that's cool, of course it ain't free, but we are paying for it.

Speaker 2: 1:42:06

Yeah, it'll help support the podcast as well. It'll help support the podcast as well this week we're going to be interviewing Catalina and Ian as well, as we're going to be dropping tomorrow Samantha Brown, who plays Acosta. I had the pleasure of interviewing her last week and she is one of the most wonderful people ever and I really am mad that there's all the hate that's going on for her character Cause I just-.

Speaker 3: 1:42:37

Well, that's par for the course.

Speaker 2: 1:42:40

No, I just don't understand People just don't understand what she's doing, I think and that's a different conversation- but anyway. I want to thank all the listeners and you guys have been the best, and next week we're going to be we're down the home stretch, but until then, you know when it's time to go home, it's time to go home. So see ya. Get your home, let's go, come on. Get in your home, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on.